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Ignoring a Law on Foreign Relations

No, but obviously, you are. No link, no proof, no nothing. Thanks anyway.

Are you seriously denying that Bush used signing statements to nullify sections of laws he signed?

It has been well documented

I think that everyone should comment of this thread. This is a case where Obama and Bush have done exactly the same thing. Whether you agree with signing statements or not, you either have to support both or attack both. The poor little partisans don't know what to do.
 
While I criticized George Bush for many things, this wasn't one of them. Such practices are inevitable in the age of the Imperial Presidency.

Presidents have been evading the strict letter of the law for a long time, increasingly often into the 20th century. The behavior is normal, and while I'm open to the idea of correcting it, I'm more concerned about the country's material prosperity, safety, and long term economic viability.
 
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Here ya go apdst

Source [UCSB | Statement on Signing the Comprehensive Peace in Sudan Act of 2004]

Section 6 of the Act includes provisions that, if construed as mandatory, would impermissibly interfere with the President's exercise of his constitutional authorities to conduct the Nation's foreign affairs, participate in international negotiations, and supervise the unitary executive branch. Section 6(a), for example, appears to require the President to implement the measures set forth in section 6(b)(2) of the earlier Sudan Peace Act (Public Law 107-245), which purports to direct or burden the conduct of negotiations by the executive branch with foreign governments, international financial institutions, and the United Nations Security Council. When necessary to avoid such unconstitutional interference, the executive branch shall construe the provisions of section 6 as advisory.

Now, I'd love to hear your response to NY's post
 
No, but obviously, you are. No link, no proof, no nothing. Thanks anyway.

It's from the link in the OP, had you bothered to read it.

I thought that was self-evident. I guess not.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/us/politics/16justice.html?pagewanted=print



Another day, another situation where Obama does exactly what he criticized Bush for doing. For those who don't remember, here's Obama's position on signing statements:



There's no way that a reasonable person could look at what is happening here and conclude that Obama is doing anything other than the very thing he criticized and pledged not to do.
The liberals in our government prove themselves to be hypocrites every single day. Two-faced, politically-calculating liars.
 
You asked for change, I gave you a change. Now it's not good enough. Bummer. There are a number of clear differences between Obama and Bush, it's not my fault you are not rational or reasonable but are a partisan bigot.
I wondered if you were a member of the "defend The Obama at all costs" brigade. Now I know.

Not sure -why- I wondered, but...
 
This isn't just about signing statements, of course . . . it's also about the Justice Dept. crafting a memo which the President is relying on to ignore the law.
Hey!
Wait!
Didn't GWB do this?
And the liberals complained?
More "change". More partisan bigotry.
 
I wondered if you were a member of the "defend The Obama at all costs" brigade. Now I know.

Not sure -why- I wondered, but...
Notice how he attacked your ability to reason and be rationale, because you question him. Typical of liberal elitism.
 
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