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75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the U.S

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See it at 75 Percent of Oklahoma Students Can't Name the First President.

This real folks, and no one seems to mind....

The majority of Americans are against health care reform you say?

The majority of Americans don't know who George Washington is either...

I got a kick out of this anectode regarding the students in one of the most conservative states in America as well:

"About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test."

11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans. Source: Here
 
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See it at 75 Percent of Oklahoma Students Can't Name the First President.

Majority of Americans are against health care reform you say?

Majority of Americans don't know who George Washington is either...

I got a kick out of this anectode regarding the students in one of the most conservative states in America as well:

"About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test."

I guarantee you that you'd see almost identical results if this survey were repeated in DC/MA/CA or even WI. It's got very little to do with how conservative OK is and very much to do with high school students don't really give a ****.
 
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I guarantee you that you'd see almost identical results if this survey were repeated in DC/MA/CA or even WI. It's got very little to do with how conservative OK is and very much to do with high school students don't really give a ****.

Like these Oklahoma statistics.....Yes teenage pregnancy and poor education don't go hand in hand do they?

http://www.americaforpurchase.com/w...hest_divorce__teen_pregnancy___porm_rates.jpg

What it boils down to is poor rural whites who will not fund their schools properly. http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state
(Notice the list of States valuing teachers the least...it's a who's who of Red States)

Too busy at their local Baptist church demonizing gays and minorities.
 
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I guarantee you that you'd see almost identical results if this survey were repeated in DC/MA/CA or even WI. It's got very little to do with how conservative OK is and very much to do with high school students don't really give a ****.

Do they not eventually become the future of America? This is the direction our country is going in, and you write it off as mere ignorance of the youth.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Do they not eventually become the future of America? This is the direction our country is going in, and you write it off as mere ignorance of the youth.

No, I'm writing it off as high school kids don't give a **** and don't care about answering phone surveys about boring ****.

I'm also loath to believe these results when the organization commissioning the polls was very clearly seeking this exact result.

Look at some of the responses:

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Here's the things that immediately pop into mind:

-"I don't know" is pretty much the most popular answer. I would bet that's due to kids not really giving a **** about the survey.

-Many kids were obviously just ****ing with the pollsters. Do you think that kids actually believed that Michael Jackson wrote the Declaration of Independence? Or that a full 10% of the state believes that the first president was GWB or Obama?

-Some of the questions are just plain wrong - The governor is the head of a executive branch.

I say the same thing every time someone comes out with one of these "omg our youth are so dumb!!!!111" surveys. The secret truth that olds don't want you to know is that despite all this, today's youth are by and large significantly smarter and more talented than any previous generation.
 
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Here's Oklahoma's SAT scores...nearly the lowest in the Nation

SAT Scores 2009

:rofl

Readingcompfail.

That ranking is by "percentage of students who take the SAT." Students in OK, like in most midwestern states, generally take the ACT rather than the SAT.

If you look at the actual scores in your link, OK does quite well. Their combined average of 1703 is 200 points higher than average and places them 12th in the nation.

Try again.

edit: I see you realized your mistake and reverted to ACT scores. Still doesn't help you. They come in 35th out of 50 - not "almost last in the nation" like you misleadingly claim.
 
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:rofl

Readingcompfail.

That ranking is by "percentage of students who take the SAT." Students in OK, like in most midwestern states, generally take the ACT rather than the SAT.

If you look at the actual scores in your link, OK does quite well. Their combined average of 1703 is 200 points higher than average and places them 12th in the nation.

Try again.

edit: I see you realized your mistake and reverted to ACT scores. Still doesn't help you. They come in 35th out of 50 - not "almost last in the nation" like you misleadingly claim.


I stand corrected....35 out of 50 is great!
 
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:rofl

Readingcompfail.

That ranking is by "percentage of students who take the SAT." Students in OK, like in most midwestern states, generally take the ACT rather than the SAT.

If you look at the actual scores in your link, OK does quite well. Their combined average of 1703 is 200 points higher than average and places them 12th in the nation.

Try again.

edit: I see you realized your mistake and reverted to ACT scores. Still doesn't help you. They come in 35th out of 50 - not "almost last in the nation" like you misleadingly claim.


I stand corrected....35 out of 50 is great!

They are really showing those Blue States how it's done!
 
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I stand corrected....35 out of 50 is great!

They are really showing those Blue States how it's done!

I'd wager that most of them could read and understand the first table you linked.
 
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Wasn't the first president a angry white warmongering bourbon brewing traitorous slave driver? :mrgreen:
 
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The title of this thread should be:

"75% of Government Indoctrination Center Prisoners Can't Name the First President [...]"
 
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Wasn't the first president a angry white warmongering bourbon brewing traitorous slave driver? :mrgreen:

Actually, I have never found any proof that Peyton Randolph, our first President, ever owned slaves. :mrgreen:

Nor that he was a distiller, nor was he in the military. While he was from Virginia, he was a lawyer and politician, not a plantation owner.
 
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I guess this must be true about all Americans then.

Steven Shehori: Poll: 37% of Americans Unable to Locate America on Map of America

Washington, D.C. -- According to a Gallup/Harris poll released Monday, a full 37 percent of American citizens are incapable of identifying their home country on a map of the United States.
 
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I bet if you put this poll on Facebook or Myspace with a catchy title like "Are you smarter than an immigrant?" Plenty of kids would be happy to participate! :rofl
 
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I think there's also a very strong "what's in it for me, screw this test" factor.

What's an individual's incentive to answer correctly? None!
 
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See it at 75 Percent of Oklahoma Students Can't Name the First President.

This real folks, and no one seems to mind....

The majority of Americans are against health care reform you say?

The majority of Americans don't know who George Washington is either...

I got a kick out of this anectode regarding the students in one of the most conservative states in America as well:

"About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test."

11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans. Source: Here
Wow, nothing like broad-brushing and making gross generalizations that are pretty much unrelated to each other.

This story is more of an indictment of government education than anything else. And no, more money will not fix it.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

See it at 75 Percent of Oklahoma Students Can't Name the First President.

This real folks, and no one seems to mind....

The majority of Americans are against health care reform you say?

The majority of Americans don't know who George Washington is either...

I got a kick out of this anectode regarding the students in one of the most conservative states in America as well:

"About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test."

11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans. Source: Here
lol!

that 11% is a credit to the hard work of republicans.
 
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lol!

that 11% is a credit to the hard work of republicans.
Let's chalk the 75% of Oklahoma kids who don't know who George Washington is up to the NEA, while we're at it ...
 
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-Many kids were obviously just ****ing with the pollsters. Do you think that kids actually believed that Michael Jackson wrote the Declaration of Independence?

OK, that indicates that 2% are ****ing with the pollsters.

RightinNYC said:
Or that a full 10% of the state believes that the first president was GWB or Obama?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did, honestly.

RightinNYC said:
-Some of the questions are just plain wrong - The governor is the head of a executive branch.

Combine the two correct answers (president and governor) and that's still only 39%.

RightinNYC said:
I say the same thing every time someone comes out with one of these "omg our youth are so dumb!!!!111" surveys. The secret truth that olds don't want you to know is that despite all this, today's youth are by and large significantly smarter and more talented than any previous generation.

I think you'd find roughly the same results if you conducted this survey on adults instead of just high school students. It's not so much a matter of YOUTH being dumb...it's a matter of most people being dumb. And they definitely are.
 
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OK, that indicates that 2% are ****ing with the pollsters.

It was clearly much more than that. Even High School students in OK aren't dumb enough to think that 1. the two major U.S. parties are Republican and Communist (as 11% answered); 2. Either Barack Obama or GWB was the first President (a total of 10%), and a whole slew of other things on there.

There's also the fact that simply saying "'I don't know' is an acceptable answer" probably led to kids answering "I don't know" just because they didn't feel like answering. The number of "I don't know" answers is ridiculously high.

I find it hard to trust this poll.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

It was clearly much more than that. Even High School students in OK aren't dumb enough to think that 1. the two major U.S. parties are Republican and Communist (as 11% answered); 2. Either Barack Obama or GWB was the first President (a total of 10%), and a whole slew of other things on there.

I think you vastly overestimate the intelligence of the average person.
 
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See it at 75 Percent of Oklahoma Students Can't Name the First President.

This real folks, and no one seems to mind....

The majority of Americans are against health care reform you say?

The majority of Americans don't know who George Washington is either...

I got a kick out of this anectode regarding the students in one of the most conservative states in America as well:

"About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test."

11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans. Source: Here

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that threads like this always--yes, always--target states with the largest minority populations in the country? Sub-concience finger pointing, perhaps?

That being said, it's comes as no surprise that your garden variety high school sutdent has a piss poor knowledge of American history. American history is a very important subject, but most history teachers are such terrible historians, that it would almost be better to not even teach the subject, since most of what is taught is revisionist history, to begin with.
 
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11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans.

and I thought okies had no sense of humor!
 
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OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

1 New Hampshire 1556 (Blue)
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2 Massachusetts 1547 (Blue)
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3 Vermont 1542 (Blue)
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4 Connecticut 1534 (Blue)
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5 Virginia 1521 (Blue)
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6 New Jersey 1505 (Blue)
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7 Maryland 1497 (Blue)
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8 Rhode Island 1488 (Blue)
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9 North Carolina 1486 (Blue)
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10 Indiana 1483 (Blue)
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11 Delaware 1477 (Blue)
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12 Pennsylvania 1477 (Blue)
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13 New York 1465 (Blue)
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14 Georgia 1460 (Red)
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15 South Carolina 1452 (Red)
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16 Maine 1390 (Blue)


Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?
 
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