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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    We'd have laughed at these questions by 5th or 6th grade.

    But so would my nephews who are in high school. I think most students know who the first president was.

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich View Post
    Out of fairness, it would be extremely helpful if somebody had a list of the percentage of students that take each respective test by state. States with a lower percentage of students taking a test are more likely to have higher scores, especially when this is not the norm. This is due to the fact that SAT and ACT tests are not a random sampling, they are comprised of the most motivated and academically prepared students among their peers. When students take the SAT in an ACT dominated region, this would mean they are appealing to schools outside that region- often times private schools in the northeast or larger state schools out west. And if you want to link politics in, those eastern private schools tend to have top notch programs in poli sci, humanities, and business, programs that rely more upon history than larger state schools, which tend to have a bigger balance with science and engineering programs.
    This is all completely true. The links with those numbers are provided toward the beginning of the thread, but as you point out, it's almost impossible to put the two together and come out with a comparable conclusion.

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    Well when you read from maps like this it's no surprise.

    If watching fox (which once made a foolish gaffe re: map) means that the viewers are all dumb, then I guess that watching MSNBC (which once made a foolish gaffe re: name) means the viewers are all racist.



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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Even fewer seem to know who the first Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico was. Its a sad state of affairs I tell you.

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Even fewer seem to know who the first Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico was. Its a sad state of affairs I tell you.

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is all completely true. The links with those numbers are provided toward the beginning of the thread, but as you point out, it's almost impossible to put the two together and come out with a comparable conclusion.



    If watching fox (which once made a foolish gaffe re: map) means that the viewers are all dumb, then I guess that watching MSNBC (which once made a foolish gaffe re: name) means the viewers are all racist.



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    That's not what my statement said. I was making a joke about the map. But if you want to play the MSNBC/Fox gaffe lets not forget about Mark Foley being a democrat and another. You do know the guy's name is Niger Innis the double G being a mistake albeit an understandable one. Calling Iraq, Iran is more than a gaffe. The point being I was making a joke about Maps and you turned it racial

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does anyone else notice that they are the whitest states in the country?


    How racist of you to say such an offensive thing! To suggest that white people score higher on standardized testing is an awful (and completely correct) thing to say!
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by cmckinney View Post


    How racist of you to say such an offensive thing! To suggest that white people score higher on standardized testing is an awful (and completely correct) thing to say!
    It's also factually incorrect. But carry on with your delusions.

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It's also factually incorrect. But carry on with your delusions.
    I'm sorry? Are you suggesting that different ethnicity do not score differently on average on standardized testing scores?

    SAT Ethnic Group Scores

    American Indian---482/480 (962)
    Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
    African American-----426/431 (857)
    Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)
    Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)
    White-----534/529 (1063)
    Other ----513/501 (1014)

    Average ACT Composite Score by Race

    African American ----16.9
    American Indian---18.7
    Caucasian---- 21.7
    Mexican American----18.3
    Asian American---- 21.8
    Hispanic----19.0
    Other ----19.3
    Multiracial-----20.9
    Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
    No Response-----20.1
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by cmckinney View Post
    I'm sorry? Are you suggesting that different ethnicity do not score differently on average on standardized testing scores?

    SAT Ethnic Group Scores

    American Indian---482/480 (962)
    Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
    African American-----426/431 (857)
    Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)
    Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)
    White-----534/529 (1063)
    Other ----513/501 (1014)

    Average ACT Composite Score by Race

    African American ----16.9
    American Indian---18.7
    Caucasian---- 21.7
    Mexican American----18.3
    Asian American---- 21.8
    Hispanic----19.0
    Other ----19.3
    Multiracial-----20.9
    Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
    No Response-----20.1
    No, I'm suggesting that Caucasians aren't the ones scoring the highest.

    See what happens when you make assumptions?

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No, I'm suggesting that Caucasians aren't the ones scoring the highest.

    See what happens when you make assumptions?
    I never said they were scoring the highest. That was a false assumption you made. I said they were scoring higher and by that I meant higher than the average minority. Asians may score higher, yes, but they only account for a little more than 4% of the population. Whites, on the other hand, account for more than 70% of the population. So when it comes down to it, yes Asian students make an impact on the average score, but Whites obviously have a greater one.
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