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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, that indicates that 2% are ****ing with the pollsters.
    It was clearly much more than that. Even High School students in OK aren't dumb enough to think that 1. the two major U.S. parties are Republican and Communist (as 11% answered); 2. Either Barack Obama or GWB was the first President (a total of 10%), and a whole slew of other things on there.

    There's also the fact that simply saying "'I don't know' is an acceptable answer" probably led to kids answering "I don't know" just because they didn't feel like answering. The number of "I don't know" answers is ridiculously high.

    I find it hard to trust this poll.

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It was clearly much more than that. Even High School students in OK aren't dumb enough to think that 1. the two major U.S. parties are Republican and Communist (as 11% answered); 2. Either Barack Obama or GWB was the first President (a total of 10%), and a whole slew of other things on there.
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    See it at 75 Percent of Oklahoma Students Can't Name the First President.

    This real folks, and no one seems to mind....

    The majority of Americans are against health care reform you say?

    The majority of Americans don't know who George Washington is either...

    I got a kick out of this anectode regarding the students in one of the most conservative states in America as well:

    "About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test."

    11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans. Source: Here
    Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that threads like this always--yes, always--target states with the largest minority populations in the country? Sub-concience finger pointing, perhaps?

    That being said, it's comes as no surprise that your garden variety high school sutdent has a piss poor knowledge of American history. American history is a very important subject, but most history teachers are such terrible historians, that it would almost be better to not even teach the subject, since most of what is taught is revisionist history, to begin with.
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    11 percent also thought the two major political parties in the US were Communists and Republicans.
    and I thought okies had no sense of humor!

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

    1 New Hampshire 1556 (Blue)
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    2 Massachusetts 1547 (Blue)
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    3 Vermont 1542 (Blue)
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    4 Connecticut 1534 (Blue)
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    5 Virginia 1521 (Blue)
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    6 New Jersey 1505 (Blue)
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    7 Maryland 1497 (Blue)
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    8 Rhode Island 1488 (Blue)
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    9 North Carolina 1486 (Blue)
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    10 Indiana 1483 (Blue)
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    11 Delaware 1477 (Blue)
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    12 Pennsylvania 1477 (Blue)
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    13 New York 1465 (Blue)
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    14 Georgia 1460 (Red)
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    15 South Carolina 1452 (Red)
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    16 Maine 1390 (Blue)


    Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?
    Last edited by JakeFromWI; 09-17-09 at 11:10 PM.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, I'm writing it off as high school kids don't give a **** and don't care about answering phone surveys about boring ****.

    I'm also loath to believe these results when the organization commissioning the polls was very clearly seeking this exact result.

    Look at some of the responses:






    Here's the things that immediately pop into mind:

    -"I don't know" is pretty much the most popular answer. I would bet that's due to kids not really giving a **** about the survey.

    -Many kids were obviously just ****ing with the pollsters. Do you think that kids actually believed that Michael Jackson wrote the Declaration of Independence? Or that a full 10% of the state believes that the first president was GWB or Obama?

    -Some of the questions are just plain wrong - The governor is the head of a executive branch.

    I say the same thing every time someone comes out with one of these "omg our youth are so dumb!!!!111" surveys. The secret truth that olds don't want you to know is that despite all this, today's youth are by and large significantly smarter and more talented than any previous generation.
    I will grant you that some kids were fx..ing around with the polsters I have done that. I never give them my real income I just multiply it by 100.

    Yet I will say that the survey is close in the general results. When I was still working in the corporate world as an auditor I asked a claim processor to gwt me their instruction files on how they handle foreign claims and the girl/woman sent me their files for New Mexico, Peurto Rico, US Vergin Islands and then I almost fell out of my chair when I say hawaii included in her collection of there thar ferrin procedure files.
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

    1 New Hampshire 1556
    .
    2 Massachusetts 1547
    .
    3 Vermont 1542
    .
    4 Connecticut 1534
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    5 Virginia 1521
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    6 New Jersey 1505
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    7 Maryland 1497
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    8 Rhode Island 1488
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    9 North Carolina 1486
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    10 Indiana 1483
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    11 Delaware 1477
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    12 Pennsylvania 1477
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    13 New York 1465
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    14 Georgia 1460
    .
    15 South Carolina 1452
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    16 Maine 1390


    Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?
    Not surprised that the Maniacs as in 16th place of this list and beat out by Georgia and "you lie" South Carolina.
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

    1 New Hampshire 1556 (Blue)
    .
    2 Massachusetts 1547 (Blue)
    .
    3 Vermont 1542 (Blue)
    .
    4 Connecticut 1534 (Blue)
    .
    5 Virginia 1521 (Blue)
    .
    6 New Jersey 1505 (Blue)
    .
    7 Maryland 1497 (Blue)
    .
    8 Rhode Island 1488 (Blue)
    .
    9 North Carolina 1486 (Blue)
    .
    10 Indiana 1483 (Blue)
    .
    11 Delaware 1477 (Blue)
    .
    12 Pennsylvania 1477 (Blue)
    .
    13 New York 1465 (Blue)
    .
    14 Georgia 1460 (Red)
    .
    15 South Carolina 1452 (Red)
    .
    16 Maine 1390 (Blue)


    Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?
    Terminology fail.

    If you define "blue state" as a state that voted for Obama, then most of the country is blue anyways.

    New Hampshire, Virginia, New Jersey, North Carolina, Indiana, and Pennsylvania range from purple to leaning red. Overall that list is pretty balanced between liberal and conservative states.

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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

    Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?
    Another person who apparently can't read the fine print.

    You've listed the top 16 of the 17 states that have over 60% SAT participation, which are the only ones listed at your link.

    As was noted earlier in this thread, students in the Northeast tend to take the SAT while students elsewhere tend to take the ACT.

    If you actually look at the SAT scores for those students who take it in those other states (not that it's a good analogy, but hey, you brought it up), you'd see that OK beats the living **** out of every state that you list, with an average SAT of 1703.
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    Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Actually, I have never found any proof that Peyton Randolph, our first President, ever owned slaves.

    Nor that he was a distiller, nor was he in the military. While he was from Virginia, he was a lawyer and politician, not a plantation owner.
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