• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

So what? A few bad apples and what does the president do? The right thing of course.

Righties just aren't used to seeing a President do the right thing when a few bad apples are involved...I.E. blackwater and Torture and such.

You mean the same blackwater and torture your messiah is sponsoring?
 
I have a question about this. How many months did these filmmakers spend on this and how many different offices did they visit?
 
I have a question about this. How many months did these filmmakers spend on this and how many different offices did they visit?

I can only answer the second part... Well, kind of.

The girl was asked by Sean Hannity last night, how many offices they visited that didn't cooperate with them, or threw them out. She said that every office they visited cooperated and tried to help them. Not one office threatened to call police, or refused to help them break the law.
 
1. ACORN

2. has

3. Zero

4. relevance

5. to

6. anything

7. that

8. is

9. Important

10. for

11. our

12. country's

13. Well

14. Being.

15. Nobody

16. gives

17. a

18. rats

19. ass.
very well written......:lol:
 
I can only answer the second part... Well, kind of.

The girl was asked by Sean Hannity last night, how many offices they visited that didn't cooperate with them, or threw them out. She said that every office they visited cooperated and tried to help them. Not one office threatened to call police, or refused to help them break the law.

That's pretty interesting that the girl Giles, said that. I'm reading a story based out of Philadelphia that says that they showed up in Philly and were shown the door and the worker ended up filing a police report.

ACORN shows 'pimp' and 'pro' the door here | Philadelphia Daily News | 09/16/2009

Also regarding San Bernardino. I read the police report they found nothing credible about a supposed homicide and that the woman in questions ex-husband is very much alive. She was putting the filmmakers on.
 
very well written......:lol:

You're right... That was one of the most elegant way I've seen to sweep this issue under the rug, and to pretend that it means nothing.

But hey... It's only 8.5 billion dollars of our tax money. Meaningless... Right?
 
You're right... That was one of the most elegant way I've seen to sweep this issue under the rug, and to pretend that it means nothing.

But hey... It's only 8.5 billion dollars of our tax money. Meaningless... Right?

8.5 billion? Not even the right wing heritage group uses that number they say Acorn received 31 million from the government since 1998
 
That's pretty interesting that the girl Giles, said that. I'm reading a story based out of Philadelphia that says that they showed up in Philly and were shown the door and the worker ended up filing a police report.

ACORN shows 'pimp' and 'pro' the door here | Philadelphia Daily News | 09/16/2009

Also regarding San Bernardino. I read the police report they found nothing credible about a supposed homicide and that the woman in questions ex-husband is very much alive. She was putting the filmmakers on.

That must mean she lied... Hallalua... Now you all on the left can focus on this and pretend that it cancels out all that other video.

I can hear it now... The video is fake... They are liars... ACORN was the victim of these white RACISTS... This is a liberal blessing send down from the heavens (that they don't really believe exists).

So, take this and run with it... You have much propaganda to spread, so off you go.

.
 
8.5 billion? Not even the right wing heritage group uses that number they say Acorn received 31 million from the government since 1998

That's how much money they are scheduled to receive from the Messiah's stimulus package.

.
 
That must mean she lied... Hallalua... Now you all on the left can focus on this and pretend that it cancels out all that other video.

I can hear it now... The video is fake... They are liars... ACORN was the victim of these white RACISTS... This is a liberal blessing send down from the heavens (that they don't really believe exists).

So, take this and run with it... You have much propaganda to spread, so off you go.

.

All we on the left? I'm not from the left or the right. I was curious as to how many places they visited out of how many months. I've been to their website and they clearly state they sincerely believe ACORN is corrupt that is why they did their project. Its a question of motive. They set out to prove acorn is corrupt so how many hours of footage do they have? I'm curious about the footage from their other visits and what they showed. You do know acorn has offices across the US. In California alone there are 13 offices. So I'm just curious as to the other footage and how long it took before they got the footage they wanted.

I would much prefer to see an independent investigation rather than a biased party with a clear announced motive

The only one claiming "white racists" doing this so far is you.
 
Last edited:
How old is it and what does it have to do with these few peoples supposed actions?

Could we please focus on the well being of the country and not self-serving needs or the peril of the Republican party?

I just want to commend you for your great posting integrity and consistancy Goldendog. Well done. After your dogged and repeated condemnation and aggressive assult against those that seeked to distract this country by focusing on Joe Wilson for days on end...seeking to call him garbage or a racist, to try and dig up his past voting preferences and views, or focusing on the rallying efforts to raise money for his opponents...I thought you wouldn't be a fair, just, and honorable in regards to your these types of discussions and only bellow about how people are focusing on distractions that have little REAL effect on the history of our country. How wrong I was. Thank you goldendog, your consistancy has been a pillar of hope. You tell them, tell those people to concentrate on what "really" matters and not on things that don't affect the future of this country.

Though, sadly...despite your AMAZING consistancy and CLEAR open mindedness and abscense of hyper partisanship...I must disagree with you. An organization that was about to be put in an integral part of the Census IS important. An organization that is recieving large amounts of tax payer funds IS important. An organization that is getting tax free incentives IS important. This is without even going into the potential, and still questionable, ties that Obama has with the organization in various ways. So between it being a legitimate issue that directly effects the people, as they are taking some of our tax dollars, and because I have the ability for this amazing capability called "multi-tasking" I will happily talk about this, as I talk about health care, and talk about the war, and talk about the economy, while even having fun and talking about Kanye Jackass West.

But truly, if there's one thing I have to give you, is at least you're amazingly consistant in your views of the worthiness of discussing "non-nation affecting issues" and your desire to repeatedly push that point.
 
Last edited:
That's how much money they are scheduled to receive from the Messiah's stimulus package.

.

Okay now you just sound ridiculous calling him a "messiah". Why is it those on the right are the only one calling him a messiah I don't se the left doing it and certainly not the center. Well you seem to know more than anyone where in the stimulus are they slated to receive funds?
 
The only one claiming "white racists" doing this so far is you.

Do you really believe that race won't be brought up here? It is the favorite out for the left.

If you oppose government health care... you're a racist.
If you were against Van Jones... you're a racist.
If you oppose Obama in any way... you're a racist.

Come on... Get with the program. All republicans/conservatives are racists.

.
 
Do you really believe that race won't be brought up here? It is the favorite out for the left.

If you oppose government health care... you're a racist.
If you were against Van Jones... you're a racist.
If you oppose Obama in any way... you're a racist.

Come on... Get with the program. All republicans/conservatives are racists.

.

What does that have to do with me? You directed this back at me trying to question my motive, implying I was a leftist and this was about white racists. Nowhere in my post did I say that.

So thus far you're the only one out of the two of us claiming white racists did this. Again read the filmmakers website, look at their interviews they clearly state they have an agenda. Again we'll know more from an independent investigation rather than people with an agenda gathering footage until they catch a few idiots doing stuff they weren't taught to do.
 
Grim, to be fair...

Aren't you playing the race card in a way by assuming instantly that race IS going to be brought up and attacking them for something they didn't even do?

How about you complain about things actually happening...there's plenty for it....and IF they play the race card blast them for it, rightly so, rather than trying to complain about something that isn't even happening at this moment and has no factual way to say with certainty that it WILL happen in the future.
 
Grim, to be fair...

Aren't you playing the race card in a way by assuming instantly that race IS going to be brought up and attacking them for something they didn't even do?

How about you complain about things actually happening...there's plenty for it....and IF they play the race card blast them for it, rightly so, rather than trying to complain about something that isn't even happening at this moment and has no factual way to say with certainty that it WILL happen in the future.


Thanks Zyph as I stated nowhere did I mention race. I was questioning motive. Do these filmmakers not have a clear agenda?
 
What does that have to do with me? You directed this back at me trying to question my motive, implying I was a leftist and this was about white racists. Nowhere in my post did I say that.

So thus far you're the only one out of the two of us claiming white racists did this. Again read the filmmakers website, look at their interviews they clearly state they have an agenda. Again we'll know more from an independent investigation rather than people with an agenda gathering footage until they catch a few idiots doing stuff they weren't taught to do.

But its more than a few idiots. So far tapes have been released five offices in cities across the nation. I'd say the isolated incident argument is dead. It's pretty clear to me that at a minimum ACORN has serious problems in the way they train and supervise their employees.

As for the film makers, yeah they are unabashedly right wing. That doesn't make them automatically wrong. From what I've seen the tapes don't seem to be heavily edited or doctored in any way. So far, their credibility seems pretty good.

And I do have to say, I found James O'Keefe's mocking attempt to have Lucky Charms removed from his campus' cafeteria on the grounds that it was offensive to people of Irish decent hilarious.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4bxz2RSkrI"]YouTube - Lucky Charms[/ame]
 
What does that have to do with me? You directed this back at me trying to question my motive, implying I was a leftist and this was about white racists. Nowhere in my post did I say that.

It was a general statement. I never said you were a leftist.

.
 
Grim, to be fair...

Aren't you playing the race card in a way by assuming instantly that race IS going to be brought up and attacking them for something they didn't even do?

How about you complain about things actually happening...there's plenty for it....and IF they play the race card blast them for it, rightly so, rather than trying to complain about something that isn't even happening at this moment and has no factual way to say with certainty that it WILL happen in the future.

I'm attempting to stop the race card from being played.

Some idiot always manages to play it, and I would like to have a fact based debate, instead of one focused on baseless crap like racism.

.
 
But its more than a few idiots. So far tapes have been released five offices in cities across the nation. I'd say the isolated incident argument is dead. It's pretty clear to me that at a minimum ACORN has serious problems in the way they train and supervise their employees.

As for the film makers, yeah they are unabashedly right wing. That doesn't make them automatically wrong. From what I've seen the tapes don't seem to be heavily edited or doctored in any way. So far, their credibility seems pretty good.

And I do have to say, I found James O'Keefe's mocking attempt to have Lucky Charms removed from his campus' cafeteria on the grounds that it was offensive to people of Irish decent hilarious.

YouTube - Lucky Charms


Wrong no but it makes me question their tactic. Its what they haven't released that matters. How many other offices did they visit? San Bernardino doesn't count because they acorn employee was pulling their leg. How many hours of footage is there?

One thing I learned from the Terri Schiavo affairs is that with enough footage you can show practically anything.

I can go undercover in multiple Sears stores across the country and find 4 or 5 dumb employees doing something stupid.

Remember the burger king employee video? I'm sure there are more of those around. Does that necessarily mean burger king is corrupt?

Again the way to figure this out will be an independent investigation free of an agenda.
 
Thanks Zyph as I stated nowhere did I mention race. I was questioning motive. Do these filmmakers not have a clear agenda?

Sure, they have an Agenda.

I dare say the vast majority of investigative journalists in this country have an agenda. Only difference from them compared to some investigative journalists is they're completely open and honest about the lean of their agenda.

Do you immedietely doubt that the people on To Catch A Predator aren't ACTUALLY pedophiles because its the agenda of Chris Hanson is to catch pedophiles?

Most issues of investigative journalism goes into a situation expecting or hoping for a certain revelation or conclussion or direction to happen...that's part of the POINt of investigative journalism.

Having an Agenda doesn't mean their information is wrong. Should people look into it? Yes. Look into the factual information and to see if anything was forged...not to dig into their lives and insult them or anything like what is going on by some people currently.

I think as well having similar situations occur in multiple venues all across the country adds some credibility to the claims and raises some serious questions where as if this was simply the case at one lone place in the country and no where else it'd be far easier to dismiss.

Having an Agenda is not a disqualification or even necessarily and immediete reason to believe anything was done dishonestly. It just means you should view it with some skeptisism and look at the facts presented along with what other information you can find and come to your own conclussion. The thing is, people should do this with ALL forms of investigative journalism because almost ALL of them have SOME form of an Agenda but not all of them have their agenda pretty blatantly presented.

I'm attempting to stop the race card from being played.

Some idiot always manages to play it, and I would like to have a fact based debate, instead of one focused on baseless crap like racism.

.

And yet your injection of essentially the reverse race card actually CAUSED the race card discussion to begin and for actual fact based debate to turn into one about racism. You weren't doing fact based debate because you were arguing about something that didn't even happen yet based on nothing more than an assumption.
 
It was a general statement. I never said you were a leftist.

.

General statement in response to me. Your message: "Now you all on the left can focus on this and pretend that it cancels out all that other video."

Again its what you said and how you said it
 
Wrong no but it makes me question their tactic. Its what they haven't released that matters. How many other offices did they visit? San Bernardino doesn't count because they acorn employee was pulling their leg. How many hours of footage is there?

One thing I learned from the Terri Schiavo affairs is that with enough footage you can show practically anything.

I can go undercover in multiple Sears stores across the country and find 4 or 5 dumb employees doing something stupid.

Remember the burger king employee video? I'm sure there are more of those around. Does that necessarily mean burger king is corrupt?

Again the way to figure this out will be an independent investigation free of an agenda.

I'll bet you $100 that you can't go to 5 Sears stores and find employees who will try to help you run a child sex slave ring.
 
Sure, they have an Agenda.

I dare say the vast majority of investigative journalists in this country have an agenda. Only difference from them compared to some investigative journalists is they're completely open and honest about the lean of their agenda.

Do you immedietely doubt that the people on To Catch A Predator aren't ACTUALLY pedophiles because its the agenda of Chris Hanson is to catch pedophiles?

Didn't know there was a secret pedophilia brotherhood :p The point is I could walk into anyplace with a hidden camera and catch stupid employees doing stupid things. You see it at McDonalds all the time does that inherantly mean that McDs is corrupt? Does it mean they train their employees wrong? Or does it mean that stupid people do stupid things. Also the difference is the framing. This investigation was meant for one purpose to catch people doing stupid things. After hundreds of hours of footage you're bound to catch a few people doing stupid things. Until an independent investigation shows this is endemic of ACORN I'll reserve judgment for the investigation.


Most issues of investigative journalism goes into a situation expecting or hoping for a certain revelation or conclussion or direction to happen...that's part of the POINt of investigative journalism.

Having an Agenda doesn't mean their information is wrong. Should people look into it? Yes. Look into the factual information and to see if anything was forged...not to dig into their lives and insult them or anything like what is going on by some people currently.

Of course it should be looked into but not with someone with a clear MO. They went digging and after many tries found some stupid people. Anything that didn't fit we don't seem to know about. No I think you're thinking undercover journalism. Most investigative journalism doesn't rely on setups of stupid people. But rather clear widdling through the details, gathering sources and coming to the conclusion.

I think as well having similar situations occur in multiple venues all across the country adds some credibility to the claims and raises some serious questions where as if this was simply the case at one lone place in the country and no where else it'd be far easier to dismiss.

Having an Agenda is not a disqualification or even necessarily and immediete reason to believe anything was done dishonestly. It just means you should view it with some skeptisism and look at the facts presented along with what other information you can find and come to your own conclussion. The thing is, people should do this with ALL forms of investigative journalism because almost ALL of them have SOME form of an Agenda but not all of them have their agenda pretty blatantly presented.

Having an agenda does definitely make one take pause though and question the accuracy of the information being presented. Now if they showed all footage and we looked at it with healthy skepticism, more often than not you'll probably find a fishing expedition.
 
Back
Top Bottom