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New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

Ethereal said:
What difference does an agenda make? They have VISUAL EVIDENCE; an agenda can't alter the nature of that evidence, so unless you have some specific criticisms about their videos your supposition amounts to nothing more than a lame attempt to deflect the issue.
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It looks like you also missed my point. I pointed out earlier that, because these "journalists" have a clear political agenda, it's reasonable to wonder how many offices they had to visit before they got what they wanted, and that they aren't telling us (or showing the videos) of the number of times they visited offices and were told to get lost.

The videos show that the organization has some knuckleheads working for them, but it's dangerous (and often dishonest) to generalize the bad behavior of a few to an entire group of people.

I think it's reasonable to withold judgment unless the "journalists" reveal how many offices they visited, and show us all the videos they took - in their entirety and unedited.
 
Birdzeye said:
It looks like you also missed my point. I pointed out earlier that, because these "journalists" have a clear political agenda, it's reasonable to wonder how many offices they had to visit before they got what they wanted, and that they aren't telling us (or showing the videos) of the number of times they visited offices and were told to get lost.

The videos show that the organization has some knuckleheads working for them, but it's dangerous (and often dishonest) to generalize the bad behavior of a few to an entire group of people.

I think it's reasonable to withold judgment unless the "journalists" reveal how many offices they visited, and show us all the videos they took - in their entirety and unedited.
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They were offering to facilitate a child prostitution ring; it happened in several offices across several regions; it's obviously not an anomaly.

Moreover, referring to these vile, rotten assholes as "knuckleheads" is a profound understatement. It seems like you are trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue.
 
Birdzeye said:
It looks like you also missed my point. I pointed out earlier that, because these "journalists" have a clear political agenda, it's reasonable to wonder how many offices they had to visit before they got what they wanted, and that they aren't telling us (or showing the videos) of the number of times they visited offices and were told to get lost.

The videos show that the organization has some knuckleheads working for them, but it's dangerous (and often dishonest) to generalize the bad behavior of a few to an entire group of people.

I think it's reasonable to withold judgment unless the "journalists" reveal how many offices they visited, and show us all the videos they took - in their entirety and unedited.
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How many videos would this journalist have to show before you or anyone defending them would agree that this is a huge issue? They've just released the fifth one! Are you kidding? This is okay considering the billions in tax dollars they receive? How many times does it have to happen before some folks ( I don't single out dems because some are just as outraged ) will admit that this is wrong on every level! If you have a valid argument for what ACORN has done, let's hear it but don't put your head in the sand because you think this journalist has a "political agenda". That's a total cop-out.

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10,000 ACORN offices require 10,000 associated videos prior to a trend being believable.
 
And you know what I have to say to that, don't ya, sweetie?

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Ethereal said:
They were offering to facilitate a child prostitution ring; it happened in several offices across several regions; it's obviously not an anomaly.

Moreover, referring to these vile, rotten assholes as "knuckleheads" is a profound understatement. It seems like you are trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue.
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"Several" is a vague term. How many is "several?" And how many offices did they have to visit before they got the "several" salacious videos they were looking for? How many offices told them to get lost that they aren't telling us about?

Every organization has bad apples, but it doesn't mean that the organization itself is corrupt. It seems like ACORN can be accused of poor staff oversight and training, but if you want to use a broad brush because of a few bad apples, you'd better have better evidence than some videos that have no doubt been edited by people who have a clear agenda.
 
Pitwolfy said:
How many videos would this journalist have to show before you or anyone defending them would agree that this is a huge issue? They've just released the fifth one! Are you kidding? This is okay considering the billions in tax dollars they receive? How many times does it have to happen before some folks ( I don't single out dems because some are just as outraged ) will admit that this is wrong on every level! If you have a valid argument for what ACORN has done, let's hear it but don't put your head in the sand because you think this journalist has a "political agenda". That's a total cop-out.

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Please show us the posts where people have said that what certain ACORN people did was okey dokey.

What I'm hearing is people saying, yeah, that's bad, but you haven't proven a trend. I don't see how you can define that as "defending."
 
Birdzeye said:
Then we're in agreement that the reporters had an agenda. This raises questions for me as to whether their agenda was to find at least one bad apple (or five), and report only on those, without bothering to tell us how many offices they had to visit. If it was six, then one could say that there's a different pattern, but a statistician would tell you that the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions - yet. If the number was 50, with five "hits," then one could argue that the organization has some bad apples, but whether that reflects the organization's policies is debatable.

I'd like to know the exact number of offices the reporters visited and tried their hooker-pimp routine, as well as the unedited videos of all their visits.

I suspect that because the reporters had an agenda - to discredit a certain liberal activist group - that they are not telling us the entire story.
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Birdzeye said:
"Several" is a vague term. How many is "several?" And how many offices did they have to visit before they got the "several" salacious videos they were looking for? How many offices told them to get lost that they aren't telling us about?

Every organization has bad apples, but it doesn't mean that the organization itself is corrupt. It seems like ACORN can be accused of poor staff oversight and training, but if you want to use a broad brush because of a few bad apples, you'd better have better evidence than some videos that have no doubt been edited by people who have a clear agenda.
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Are you deliberately ignoring the posts where your question was addressed?

They didn't visit 50 offices. It wasn't even close. ACORN originally claimed that they were turned away from "dozens," but after further questioning, revised their statement to say they were turned away from "several." I haven't seen either side offer more specific information than that.

Nevertheless, that is enough information for us to conclude that these filmmakers had an objectively outstanding rate of "success."
 
Birdzeye said:
"Several" is a vague term. How many is "several?"
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Five...so far. In my opinion, one is too many.

And how many offices did they have to visit before they got the "several" salacious videos they were looking for? How many offices told them to get lost that they aren't telling us about?
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As NYC pointed out, these questions have already been addressed; it seems you just don't like the answers.

Every organization has bad apples...
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Once again, I object to this BS terminology. These people aren't "bad apples" or "knuckleheads." They're vile individuals who are willing to exploit children. Your insistence on treating them like common trouble-makers undermines the seriousness of this issue and brings into doubt your objectivity.

...but it doesn't mean that the organization itself is corrupt. It seems like ACORN can be accused of poor staff oversight and training, but if you want to use a broad brush because of a few bad apples, you'd better have better evidence than some videos that have no doubt been edited by people who have a clear agenda.
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Do you have any specific criticisms of their editing techniques, or just more vague accusations with no basis in fact? If it's the former then, by all means, share them with us; if it’s the latter, please cease and desist in your lame attempt to undermine the credibility of these videos.
 
RightinNYC said:
Are you deliberately ignoring the posts where your question was addressed?

They didn't visit 50 offices. It wasn't even close. ACORN originally claimed that they were turned away from "dozens," but after further questioning, revised their statement to say they were turned away from "several." I haven't seen either side offer more specific information than that.

Nevertheless, that is enough information for us to conclude that these filmmakers had an objectively outstanding rate of "success."
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And that is exactly what I'm asking for, more "specific" information, not just vague terms like "several" and "dozens." If that information is not available, then how can you say that my questions have been answered here?

Apparently saying that what those people did was horrible isn't enough for some people on the right. I believe it is, and I'm aware that some of those folks want to hear that and then respond with, "Aha! Then you DO agree that ACORN is rotten to the core, right?!?" I agree with the first part, but unless these journalists tell us how many offices they visited with their hooker-pimp charade and how many turned them away, and show us all their unedited videos, then I'd say that the jury's still out as to whether the entire organization is rotten to the core.

I'm sure you'll make sure to let me know when you have some more "specific" information, at least if it is convenient to your argument.
 
As I said before a few videos, one where an individual was clearly making up the killing of her husband, do not show something is pervasive. I'm for an independent investigation to see what they can find. But just a few videos with people with a clear, defined agenda and without them showing the unedited videos and information on how many offices they visited this is inconclusive. I could walk into several different burger kings and find employees doing things they shouldn't does that mean all of burger king is corrupt? No.
 
PogueMoran said:
As I said before a few videos, one where an individual was clearly making up the killing of her husband, do not show something is pervasive. I'm for an independent investigation to see what they can find. But just a few videos with people with a clear, defined agenda and without them showing the unedited videos and information on how many offices they visited this is inconclusive. I could walk into several different burger kings and find employees doing things they shouldn't does that mean all of burger king is corrupt? No.
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Please, report back to us with some kind of documented proof of you finding four seperate burger joint employee's offering you aid in running an illegal underage prostitution ring.

We'll wait.
 
PogueMoran said:
As I said before a few videos, one where an individual was clearly making up the killing of her husband, do not show something is pervasive. I'm for an independent investigation to see what they can find. But just a few videos with people with a clear, defined agenda and without them showing the unedited videos and information on how many offices they visited this is inconclusive. I could walk into several different burger kings and find employees doing things they shouldn't does that mean all of burger king is corrupt? No.
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Is BK getting billions of dollars in funding from the government and taking part in the electoral process?
 
apdst said:
Is BK getting billions of dollars in funding from the government and taking part in the electoral process?
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Acorn isn't getting billions of dollars in funding from the government keep claiming it but its simply false.
 
PogueMoran said:
Acorn isn't getting billions of dollars in funding from the government keep claiming it but its simply false.
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Yes, they are. You can say it all you want and it still won't be true.
 
Zyphlin said:
Please, report back to us with some kind of documented proof of you finding four seperate burger joint employee's offering you aid in running an illegal underage prostitution ring.

We'll wait.
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The point obviously flew over your head. Every organization has stupid people in it its a game of numbers eventually you're going to find someone doing something they shouldn't. It does not show that this is common within an organization.
 
apdst said:
Yes, they are. You can say it all you want and it still won't be true.
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Prove that Acorn is getting BILLIONS of dollars from the stimulus bill.
 
apdst said:
I already have.
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No you haven't. You quoted michelle malkin about a draft bill in January regarding the neighborhood stabilization program which goes to local governments and nonprofits who buy and sell houses which ACORN does not do.
 
So when ACORN is indicted for all this, will Obama still represent them as their attorney?
 
TheNextEra said:
Prove that Acorn is getting BILLIONS of dollars from the stimulus bill.
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who cares, the bigger issue is thier support for child prostitution..... Love how people are still defending acorn and making excuses for them...
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
who cares, the bigger issue is thier support for child prostitution..... Love how people are still defending acorn and making excuses for them...
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So if we find pedophiles involved in child prostitution in the R party does that mean the R party supports child prostitution?
 
Ward said:
Hmmm.... a video trying to stop an organization, willing to help smuggle 13-14 year olds into the usa to use as sex slaves (on 5 different occasions), that is receiving OUR TAX MONEY does seems important to me. Now congress wasting their time on wilson; now thats real distraction but maybe your priorities differ from mine.
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But let's be real about this for a second...

It's a scandal that involves ACORN and in the minds of most FoxNews viewers, ACORN isn't a far leap from the President and his "questionable ties to corruption". If this had been any other sex slave ring that was uncovered, it might not have gained so much attention. Case and point...

CriticalThought said:
Here is a start...

5 Charged as Members of Prostitution Ring - The New York Times

Let the crackdown of the evil Burger King begin!
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I'm being sarcastic here, but why hasn't FoxNews reported on the above storyline considering it's also about teen prostitution and sex rings?

Fact is FoxNews has made it a point to link ACORN and the President together and as such an event such as this truly becomes newsworthy.

As I've said in another thread dealing with these hidden ACORN videos, I have no problem whatsoever with Fox or any other news agency uncovering corruption wherever is lay, but it's apparent where ACORN is concerned, FoxNews will report on anything ACORN-related because they know doing so will continue to paint the President is a very dim light. People will draw a mental connection between ACORN and the President and automatically conclude "corruption".
 
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