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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Acorn has hundreds of offices. Again out of the hundreds you're likely to find a few idiots especially if its your purpose to do that
    "idiots"? Is that the new term for it?
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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Try dividing that number by about 15 and you'll have the real number
    All depends on who you ask. The mainstream media can't give a reliable number, just like with ACORN, they weren't there to cover it.
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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sure, they have an Agenda.

    I dare say the vast majority of investigative journalists in this country have an agenda. Only difference from them compared to some investigative journalists is they're completely open and honest about the lean of their agenda.

    Do you immedietely doubt that the people on To Catch A Predator aren't ACTUALLY pedophiles because its the agenda of Chris Hanson is to catch pedophiles?

    Most issues of investigative journalism goes into a situation expecting or hoping for a certain revelation or conclussion or direction to happen...that's part of the POINt of investigative journalism.

    Having an Agenda doesn't mean their information is wrong. Should people look into it? Yes. Look into the factual information and to see if anything was forged...not to dig into their lives and insult them or anything like what is going on by some people currently.

    I think as well having similar situations occur in multiple venues all across the country adds some credibility to the claims and raises some serious questions where as if this was simply the case at one lone place in the country and no where else it'd be far easier to dismiss.

    Having an Agenda is not a disqualification or even necessarily and immediete reason to believe anything was done dishonestly. It just means you should view it with some skeptisism and look at the facts presented along with what other information you can find and come to your own conclussion. The thing is, people should do this with ALL forms of investigative journalism because almost ALL of them have SOME form of an Agenda but not all of them have their agenda pretty blatantly presented.



    And yet your injection of essentially the reverse race card actually CAUSED the race card discussion to begin and for actual fact based debate to turn into one about racism. You weren't doing fact based debate because you were arguing about something that didn't even happen yet based on nothing more than an assumption.
    Then we're in agreement that the reporters had an agenda. This raises questions for me as to whether their agenda was to find at least one bad apple (or five), and report only on those, without bothering to tell us how many offices they had to visit. If it was six, then one could say that there's a different pattern, but a statistician would tell you that the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions - yet. If the number was 50, with five "hits," then one could argue that the organization has some bad apples, but whether that reflects the organization's policies is debatable.

    I'd like to know the exact number of offices the reporters visited and tried their hooker-pimp routine, as well as the unedited videos of all their visits.

    I suspect that because the reporters had an agenda - to discredit a certain liberal activist group - that they are not telling us the entire story.

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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    they are not reporters. they aspire to be though

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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    The townhall screamers have been shut down and this is the rights next distraction topic..so they don't have to talk about real health care issues.
    Denial is strong with this one padawan.

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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    People this is about as transparent as it gets...Who gives a crap about ACORN? Is ACORN important to our nations future in any way, shape or form what so ever? Nope...Zero....Ziltch...that is why the Right, in their desperation, continues to use them as a distraction.

    Does Rush, Hannity or Beck in their looney rants represent your entire political beleifs and the entire spectrum or your political party?

    Yet another lame distraction tatic is all it is...all it has ever been.
    Speaking of transparent, what could be MORE transparent than a President that fear mongers people in the healthcare debate, denigrates his opponents, lies about the costs and savings and then makes the farcical claims that it is Republican efforts that are preventing him from passing his Socialist agenda?

    The only thing more amazing than this would be the transparency that has to exist between one's ears to think that there is anything substantive about this Administration.

    P.S. It isn't Rush, Hannity or Beck who are stopping the legislation from passing, it is Democrats who look at this bill and listen to their constituents and say they cannot support a bill that is basically one huge lie.

    But your hyperbolic bile and demagoguery has been noted; carry on!


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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Then we're in agreement that the reporters had an agenda. This raises questions for me as to whether their agenda was to find at least one bad apple (or five), and report only on those, without bothering to tell us how many offices they had to visit. If it was six, then one could say that there's a different pattern, but a statistician would tell you that the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions - yet. If the number was 50, with five "hits," then one could argue that the organization has some bad apples, but whether that reflects the organization's policies is debatable.

    I'd like to know the exact number of offices the reporters visited and tried their hooker-pimp routine, as well as the unedited videos of all their visits.

    I suspect that because the reporters had an agenda - to discredit a certain liberal activist group - that they are not telling us the entire story.
    Night Line doesn't have an agenda? CBS 60 minutes doesn't have an agenda? Katy Couric had no agenda when she interviewed Palin?

    Please, people attempting coherent debate on a political forum can't possibly be so naive as to think that no one has an agenda.

    BUT, what is more important here is why the “agenda” is the issue when the recorded actions of these employees so obviously crossed the line and encouraged illegal behavior?

    Why is it that we feel compelled to attack the messenger rather than those who attempted to collude with individuals who obviously were conspiring to break laws and engage in truly despicable behavior?

    I am curious how the fact that the people acting out and video taping this are the subject rather than the corrupt behavior of those they set up?

    This has NOTHING to do with partisanship; it has everything to do with the personnel who work within an organization that derives multi-millions of dollars from the taxpayers of this country for a partisan political purpose.


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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Night Line doesn't have an agenda? CBS 60 minutes doesn't have an agenda? Katy Couric had no agenda when she interviewed Palin?

    Please, people attempting coherent debate on a political forum can't possibly be so naive as to think that no one has an agenda.

    BUT, what is more important here is why the “agenda” is the issue when the recorded actions of these employees so obviously crossed the line and encouraged illegal behavior?

    Why is it that we feel compelled to attack the messenger rather than those who attempted to collude with individuals who obviously were conspiring to break laws and engage in truly despicable behavior?

    I am curious how the fact that the people acting out and video taping this are the subject rather than the corrupt behavior of those they set up?

    This has NOTHING to do with partisanship; it has everything to do with the personnel who work within an organization that derives multi-millions of dollars from the taxpayers of this country for a partisan political purpose.

    It looks like you missed my point. Nowhere did I say, or imply, that others don't have their own agendas. I was pointing out that the agenda of these individuals raises legitimate questions about their reporting and whether they have carefully given the public ONLY those details that fits in with that agenda.

    It's the same kind of questions that are made about any news organizations, but apparently when it's a right winger trying to discredit a lefty organization, those questions are off limits.

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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    It looks like you missed my point. Nowhere did I say, or imply, that others don't have their own agendas. I was pointing out that the agenda of these individuals raises legitimate questions about their reporting and whether they have carefully given the public ONLY those details that fits in with that agenda.

    It's the same kind of questions that are made about any news organizations, but apparently when it's a right winger trying to discredit a lefty organization, those questions are off limits.
    What difference does an agenda make? They have VISUAL EVIDENCE; an agenda can't alter the nature of that evidence, so unless you have some specific criticisms about their videos your supposition amounts to nothing more than a lame attempt to deflect the issue.

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    Re: New Acorn Video Scandal Emerges- Employee Asks For Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by submarinepainter View Post
    bull , ACORN is Obama's friend and a man is judged on the company he keeps
    That is unless you are Obama, then that friend is a friend you never knew.

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