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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

I haven't read through all the postings as there are just too many, but if Jimmy Carter, of all people, is going to advance the notion of "where there is smoke, there is fire", does that mean he is finally admitting his own ethnic bias?
 
Gardener said:
I haven't read through all the postings as there are just too many, but if Jimmy Carter, of all people, is going to advance the notion of "where there is smoke, there is fire", does that mean he is finally admitting his own ethnic bias?
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I think this whole thread (now 76 pages long) can be summed up in one sentence:

Former President Jimmy Carter believes that much of the anti-Obama rhetoric, hatred & anger has racism as its base.

Much of this entire thread is a heated rant against Mr. Carter's right to have such a belief, & nothing more.
 
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Devil505 said:
Much of this entire thread is a heated rant against Mr. Carter's right to have such a belief, & nothing more.
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Ah, the ever-popular "but he has a RIGHT to say it!!!!!!!!!!!!" non-defense against criticism.

Seriously, you people need more than two pages in your playbook.
 
Harshaw said:
Ah, the ever-popular "but he has a RIGHT to say it!!!!!!!!!!!!" non-defense against criticism.

Seriously, you people need more than two pages in your playbook.
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Former President Carter has no right to believe what he wants too?
As an ex-President, Carter has no right to share his beliefs/fears with his fellow Americans?

(if not...whose beliefs is he required to believe?)
 
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Devil505 said:
But he's a liar...right??

(I get it....He's only a liar when he says things you don't agree with...Got it!)
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Are you freaking delusional? I've been posting in this thread the whole way through and started another thread on the whole Wilson issue, and where in any of those posts or anywhere else have I called Obama a liar? Apparently you've moved beyond just twisting people's words to just blatantly making things up now.

Defending Wilson from unsubstantiated accusations of racism does not mean I automatically agree with what he said or how he said it. In fact, I'm the on record in another thread saying Wilson's breach of decorum was deplorable and I would've had no problem if the House moved to censure him. That said, as much as I think Wilson acted like an idiot, I see no evidence that he acted like a racist idiot. And you and the rest of your left wing hacks continue to fail to bring any credible evidence to the table.

And even if I did call Obama a liar, which I haven't, just becasue a man lies once doesn't mean he can't be truthful on another occasion.
 
Devil505 said:
Former President Carter has no right to believe what he wants too?
(if not...whose beliefs is he required to believe?)
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This kind of dishonesty, of course, is why it's pointless to try to debate much of anything with you. Thus, I simply point out your ridiculousness, as is the case here.
 
Devil505 said:
I think this whole thread (now 76 pages long) can be summed up in one sentence:

Former President Jimmy Carter believes that much of the anti-Obama rhetoric, hatred & anger has racism as its base.

Much of this entire thread is a heated rant against Mr. Carter's right to have such a belief, & nothing more.
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Perhaps you did not follow my inferred line of reasoning, so I will spell it out. Considering the INCREDIBLY one sided and dishonest portrayal of the middle east conflict between Arab and Jew that Mr Carter advances, then using his very own line of reasoning, he is undeniably antisemitic.
 
Harshaw said:
This kind of dishonesty, of course, is why it's pointless to try to debate much of anything with you. Thus, I simply point out your ridiculousness, as is the case here.
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No...It's a very simple question which destroys your argument, so you choose to just make a personal attack instead on answering it.
 
Devil505 said:
Former President Carter has no right to believe what he wants too?
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Sure he can believe whatever he wants. Wilson is a racist. The world is flat. Aliens have put a mind control implant in his brain. Just like I have to right to mock each of those beliefs for being completely ridiculous and without any supporting evidence.

As an ex-President, Carter has no right to share his beliefs/fears with his fellow Americans?
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He has a right to express himself, just like any other American. But there is a long standing tradition of former Presidents not getting involved in partisan matters. Carter has repeatedly broken this tradition and deserves all the criticism he gets for these outbursts.
 
Devil505 said:
No...It's a very simple question which destroys your argument, so you choose to just make a personal attack instead on answering it.
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If you actually believe that to be true, then it's doubly apparent why it's pointless to try to debate with you.
 
Psychoclown said:
Are you freaking delusional?
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No...& I don't recall leveling insulting remarks at you, so why do you feel free to insult me?

Psychoclown said:
Apparently you've moved beyond just twisting people's words to just blatantly making things up now.
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Same question

Psychoclown said:
I see no evidence that he acted like a racist idiot. And you and the rest of your left wing hacks continue to fail to bring any credible evidence to the table.
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Just because YOU see no evidence, does that mean it couldn't exist?

Psychoclown said:
And even if I did call Obama a liar, which I haven't, just becasue a man lies once doesn't mean he can't be truthful on another occasion.
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I think there are plenty of people here who will say that Obama is a liar when he says things they don't agree with & then call him a liar when he says things they don't agree with.
I'm not specifically accusing/attacking YOU of this...as you feel free to attack me.....but it is certainly true of others & perhaps true of you. (I'd have to go back through your posts to make such an accusation..)
 
Psychoclown said:
Sure he can believe whatever he wants.
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Then he has a right to believe what he said..Thanks for answering that directly
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Just like I have to right to mock each of those beliefs for being completely ridiculous and without any supporting evidence.
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Absolutely!...That is YOUR right.



Psychoclown said:
He has a right to express himself, just like any other American.
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Thanks again...I agree with you.


Psychoclown said:
But there is a long standing tradition of former Presidents not getting involved in partisan matters.
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Bush has broken that tradition as well recently & besides, breaking a tradition is not a crime, especially if one does it with the intent of helping his country.
 
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Harshaw said:
If you actually believe that to be true, then it's doubly apparent why it's pointless to try to debate with you.
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I do believe that is true & I believe the reason why you feel debate with me is pointless is that you can't win a debate by making personal attacks, which is your main tactic & therefore you get aggravated at your inability to address the issues..
 
Devil505 said:
I do believe that is true & I believe the reason why you feel debate with me is pointless is that you can't win a debate by making personal attacks, which is you only tactic, & therefore you get aggravated at your inability to address the issues..
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Yeah. Meanwhile, no one argued that Carter didn't have the right to his opinion. I certainly didn't and it can't be fairly implied that I did.

See, if you're going to have a meaningful debate with someone, that person needs to have the ability to 1) understand what you're saying, and 2) be honest enough not to twist it and make things up.

You've repeatedly demonstrated that you lack in one or both areas, and have just done so here. Is it more because of one or the other? Don't know, but my suspicion is that your extreme bad faith tends to drive your incomprehension.

So, as I said, no actual debate is even possible with you. (Not that this won't fall on deaf ears like everything else, though.)
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah. Meanwhile, no one argued that Carter didn't have the right to his opinion. I certainly didn't and it can't be fairly implied that I did.

See, if you're going to have a meaningful debate with someone, that person needs to have the ability to 1) understand what you're saying, and 2) be honest enough not to twist it and make things up.

You've repeatedly demonstrated that you lack in one or both areas, and have just done so here. Is it more because of one or the other? Don't know, but my suspicion is that your extreme bad faith tends to drive your incomprehension.

So, as I said, no actual debate is even possible with you. (Not that this won't fall on deaf ears like everything else, though.)
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So you respond with yet another personal attack??

& yet I am the dishonest one who twists things?


When you can debate issues & not resort to personal attack, then you'll be doing more than throwing temper tantrums, which is what you're doing right now.:thumbdown
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stop the games or I begin to thread-ban or worse.
 
No problem.

Devil505 said:
I think this whole thread (now 76 pages long) can be summed up in one sentence:

Former President Jimmy Carter believes that much of the anti-Obama rhetoric, hatred & anger has racism as its base.

Much of this entire thread is a heated rant against Mr. Carter's right to have such a belief, & nothing more.
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Kindly point out, specifically, where anyone said Carter didn't have the right to his belief. No dodging, no generalities, no distractions, no non-sequiturs -- and no "mind reading," considering that's supposedly taboo. Let's see it.
 
Harshaw said:
No problem.



Kindly point out, specifically, where anyone said Carter didn't have the right to his belief. No dodging, no generalities, no distractions, no non-sequiturs -- and no "mind reading," considering that's supposedly taboo. Let's see it.
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Here are just a few posts (from the first few pages of this thread) which would tend to show that our belief that former President Carter had a right to express his beliefs is not accepted here & that he (Carter) was viciously attacked for presenting his beliefs in many of these posts.Again, keep in mind these are attacks on someone simply for having & expressing his beliefs. (if I had more time I'm sure I could find allot more & probably worse in tone!)

Voidwar said:
Jimmy Carter just exposed and spoke straight from his ignorance.

Ludicrous crap like this out o
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Alex said:
This is what I mean by irresponsible comments like the one Carter made. When you make wild accusations like Carter did, without any real proof of their validity, people will start to believe it and the word "racist" takes on a whole new and convoluted meaning. People will start to use it in situations when it does not really apply, and that only adds to the problem.
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Apocalypse said:
Carter is an old fool, why do they give him a stage in the media?
He should be talking to the walls.
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Laila said:
He doesn't seem to have a positive view of Americans to think 'many of them' have a problem with a non white President .... :roll:
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Apocalypse said:
He is certainly not a positive person.
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TOJ said:
'We' are discussing Jimmy Carter, past President of the USA, anti-semite extraordinaire.

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Devil505 said:
Here are just a few posts (from the first few pages of this thread) which would tend to show that our belief that former President Carter had a right to express his beliefs is not accepted here & that he (Carter) was viciously attacked for presenting his beliefs kin many of these posts.
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Not one of those says he doesn't have the right to do so, nor is it fairly implied. Most of them just say he's a fool, which says nothing about his right. And absolutely NO ONE says anything about his "right to his belief."

As was patently obvious -- you've got bupkis. Zilch. Nada. You're simply twisting words and making things up. Period.

That is all.
 
Harshaw said:
Not one of those says he doesn't have the right to do so, nor is it fairly implied.
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Shocking that you would respond this way!:lol:

I posted a number of angry rebuffs at Carter..... who had the unmitigated gall to express his concern at what he believes is racism in this country & yet you can respond that these attacks do not even "imply" that either he has no right to think that or no right to express his fears??...Really??
To give you what you want, I have to find a post that actually SAYS...."Carter has no right to believe that"??

No point in further arguing the point...I gave you what you asked for & your denial of that does not change the reality.
 
I'm new here and hesitate to get into the middle of this but it would appear that Jimmy Carter is being attacked here for stating his beliefs & whether his beliefs are right or wrong he has the right to speak them, as do all citizens.
 
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