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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

The_Limt said:
Again, the confederate flag is a staple of the KKK.
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So is the American flag and protesting. I guess that means the American flag and protesting are racist; according to your logic, anyway.

Don't insult a flag that liberated an entire people from their slave masters by equating it with the Confederate trash.
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You're the one who is suggesting that anything the KKK regularly associates itself with is inherently racist; which - according to your logic - would make the American flag, protesting, and white linen racist...:lol:
 
The_Limt said:
That flag represents slavery, violence and oppression.

Thats why the KKK uses it. Thats why it was voted to be taken down from many capitol hall buildings...

...because it was an insult to the African-American population.

Stop playing stupid.
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PROVE WILSON BELIEVES THIS WAY. For the love of all that is holy, all I want is actual proof. Not your opinion, not coincidence with other groups, not supposition. All I want is proof, not mindless circular rhetoric. Can you provide it?
 
Ikari said:
*sigh* Maybe America really is becoming stupid.

The KKK using the confederate flag does not mean that everyone who may like the flag believes in the same thing. That is coincidence, not actual proof. Would you like to provide actual proof or are you just going to subsist off of supposition?
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And I'm telling you that is bullsnot.

I do not care what people "think" it means.

I am interested in what it does mean, what it was a symbol of.

Hatred, racism and slavery.
 
Devil505 said:
Those of us in the REAL world understand that, except for the deep South, the Confederate flag has come to symbolize racism, bigotry, hate & violence & to attempt to claim otherwise is a desperate dodge to try to defend Wilson.
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Maybe for some but who are you to deny them their symbols?

To me it represents a period in American history that should not be forgotten lest we repeat it. Banning it would be just as bad as burning books.
 
The_Limt said:
Hatred, racism and slavery.
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Opinion, coincidence, supposition. Actual proof, present it or admit you're full of poo on this one.
 
Ethereal said:
So is the American flag and protesting. I guess that means the American flag and protesting are racist; according to your logic, anyway.



You're the one who is suggesting that anything the KKK regularly associates itself with is inherently racist; which - according to your logic - would make the American flag, protesting, and white linen racist...:lol:
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Do you really, honestly believe your nonsense?

Are you really here arguing that the Confederate flag wasn't the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution.

The KKK uses the St. Andrew's cross because it reprsents hatred, because it represents racism, because it represents slavery.

What planet are you living on?
 
Ethereal said:
You're the one who is suggesting that anything the KKK regularly associates itself with is inherently racist; which - according to your logic - would make the American flag, protesting, and white linen racist...:lol:
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At least somebody gets it. If there was proof Wilson was a member of the KKK, then you got something. But using the coincidence of symbol doesn't necessitate shared belief.
 
The_Limt said:
Do you really, honestly believe your nonsense?

Are you really here arguing that the Confederate flag wasn't the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution.

The KKK uses the St. Andrew's cross because it reprsents hatred, because it represents racism, because it represents slavery.

What planet are you living on?
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Is Wilson in the KKK?
 
The_Limt said:
I am interested in what it does mean, what it was a symbol of.

Hatred, racism and slavery.
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You can only speak for yourself Professor X.




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The_Limt said:
That flag represents slavery, violence and oppression.
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For some, it does, but for others it represents rebellion against Federal authority; not to mention the Southerners who died fighting in the Civil War.
 
Ethereal said:
For some, it does, but for others it represents rebellion against Federal authority; not to mention the Southerners who died fighting in the Civil War.
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I have an American flag in my house...does that mean I hate native Americans?
 
Ikari said:
Opinion, coincidence, supposition. Actual proof, present it or admit you're full of poo on this one.
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You are on the fringe.

Educated, intelligent people know what that flag represents.

For you to sit here and try to deny it was the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution is quite laughable.
 
Ethereal said:
For some, it does, but for others it represents rebellion against Federal authority; not to mention the Southerners who died fighting in the Civil War.
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Yea and the Nazi flag stands for the spreading of Christian mythical values to Eastern Europe.

:roll:
 
The_Limt said:
You are on the fringe.

Educated, intelligent people know what that flag represents.

For you to sit here and try to deny it was the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution is quite laughable.
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I'm finishing a PhD in physics. I think I am well more educated and intelligent than you. Which is probably why I can understand the difference between coincidence and causation.
 
The_Limt said:
Do you really, honestly believe your nonsense?

Are you really here arguing that the Confederate flag wasn't the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution.

The KKK uses the St. Andrew's cross because it reprsents hatred, because it represents racism, because it represents slavery.

What planet are you living on?
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The KKK regularly protests. Does that mean protesting is racist?

The KKK regularly flies the American flag. Does that mean the American flag is racist?

The KKK regularly wears white linen. Does that mean wearing white linen is racist?

The KKK reguarly eats food. Does that mean eating food is racist?
 
The_Limt said:
You are on the fringe.

Educated, intelligent people know what that flag represents.
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Yes, we do. You, however, do not.

For you to sit here and try to deny it was the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution is quite laughable.
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No one is denying that the Confederate flag was flown by the slave holding south. Our point is that the flag today does not exclusively represent bigotry, racism, and slavery. Many see it as a symbol of Southern pride, a symbol honoring the fallen soldiers of the Confederacy, or as a symbol of state's rights. Just because a thing has one meaning doesn't it is the only meaning.

But go on ranting and raving how everyone who disagrees with you is a racist. We've come to expect it from you.
 
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Ikari said:
I'm finishing a PhD in physics. I think I am well more educated and intelligent than you. Which is probably why I can understand the difference between coincidence and causation.
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So?

What the hell does physics have to do with history?

You are on the fringe. No serious person thinks the Confederate flag is harmless. In fact, quite the opposite. It is the reason most capital buildings in the U.S. do't fly that flag anymore.

Why?

Because it represents slavery, racism and oppression.

Thats why they took it down.
 
The_Limt said:
So?

What the hell does physics have to do with history?

You are on the fringe. No serious person thinks the Confederate flag is harmless. In fact, quite the opposite. It is the reason most capital buildings in the U.S. do't fly that flag anymore.

Why?

Because it represents slavery, racism and oppression.

Thats why they took it down.
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You claimed those who are educated and intelligent. Well I am well more educated and intelligent than you. Why do you keep changing parameters when you get beat on a point?
 
Ikari said:
Maybe you don't understand what coincidence means. So I'll go slower.

You're claim is that Wilson voted for the flag because he believes fully in what it used to stand for. The fact that there are groups which use it as such demonstration does not mean that Wilson himself believes that. You are using coincidence, equating two unrelated things through a coincidence of use. Thus my question remains the same. Do you have actual proof. No more coincidence and supposition, actual proof. Do you have it?
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I explained in another post that I believe that protecting the insurance industry's obscene profits is the ultimate goal of Wilson & most of the anti HC reform movement.
That being said, I also said that racism is being used as a weapon/tool to advance that goal & I believe Wilson's past does suggest strongly that he is in fact a racist.

Those who demand absolute proof of Wilson's (probable) racist motivations/tactics would undoubtedly still defend him if he showed up at the next House session wearing full KKK regalia!:lol:

I can hear the defenses now:

1. Wilson had just done the wash & rather than carry the sheets around all day...he decided to put them over his head to free his hands for voting.


....or

2. Wilson suffers from a rare skin condition which requires him to wear sun-blocking, light colored protective clothing.

....or

3. A group of black, left-wing Commie Pinkos attacked him outside the Congress...took all his clothes & forced him to wear just those damned sheets.

or

4. Fill in the blank :lol::lol:
 
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Psychoclown said:
No one is denying that the Confederate flag was flown by the slave holding south. Our point is that the flag today does not exclusively represent bigotry, racism, and slavery. Many see it as a symbol of Southern pride, a symbol honoring the fallen soldiers of the Confederacy, or as a symbol of state's rights. Just because a thing has one meaning doesn't it is the only meaning.
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No, you're totally wrong. It's like the Japanese. That flag was flown under the Emperor and stood when Japan attacked America. So anyone who flies the Japanese flag supports the emperor and surprise attacks on America. Which is why I don't eat Ramen.
 
Psychoclown said:
...or as a symbol of state's rights. J
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LOL at States Rights.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

And what "state right" did that flag initally symbolize...oh yea, the right to deny freedom to blacks.

Yea, thats "States Rights" for you.
 
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