Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

Psychoclown · Sep 17, 2009

Harshaw said:
Simply observing, considering you never bothered to answer anything I said.

But what you've done here today is actually pretty remarkable -- you've united a number of people who usually disagree with other to the common cause of exposing how weak your debate skills are. That, alone, ought to tell you something, if you choose to learn from it. And wise people choose to learn from every occasion.

I wouldn't even call his debate skills weak. More like non existant. He follows the troll blueprint to a T.

1. Make outragously idiotic or partisan (or both) statements with no supporting evidence.
2. Refuse to answer any responses, usually including some sort of personal smear while refusing.
3. When your opponents tire of getting no response and start mocking you openly, cry and play the victim.

The_Limt · Sep 17, 2009

Jackboot said:
So the answer is "no".....I do not know what I am talking about.

I can certainly understand why you do not want to debate the issue, if I were you, I would not engage either.

You can tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better.

If you want to believe the South was the victim, go ahead.

If you want to believe Southern slave culture was proud and noble, go ahead.

If you want to think the murder and bondage of an entire people was second to tariffs, go ahead.

Other than a few other fringe posters writing in this thread, no one outside of it will take you seriously.

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

Devil505 said:
:lol:....I see you've already given up on your latest tactic!:lol:

(no one here is any good at chess, eh?)

Your post was content free, and certainly failed to address any of the real substantiated racism we have seen during this administration. . .

Voidwar said:
Obama's racist preachers. Obama's racist Green Jobs Czar. Obama's racist Supreme Court appointee.

Thats where the racism claims WITH EVIDENCE are, and that is what I posted.

jallman · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
As sad as your defense of slave culture?

I never defended slave culture. You can keep trying to use the most outlandish vilifications you can muster, but the bottom line is that you can't hold your own in a debate and now you are just being lame. Sorry, but it's true, lamer.

jallman · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
I don't see anything remarkable in maintaing the wacky viewpoint that a)The South was a proud and noble, b) the South was really the victim, c) they were justifiably fighting for their right to keep their slave culture.

That all came out of your mouth, not ours. You know what a straw man is, right?

The_Limt · Sep 17, 2009

Harshaw said:
Then you've indicated as to whether or not you're going to learn from this little episode. You're not. Could have been a growth moment, but you're not interested.

There is no growing or understanding with the viewpoint that slavery as an institution was ok.

However, I would like to thank you guys for absolutely, beyond a doubt, proving my point.

You guys have spent pages defending southern slave culture.

You guys called the South, proud and noble.

You guys said the South was a victim.

And lastly, bondage and slavery took a back seat to tariffs.

You said it was remarkable that I "unified" everyone.

I say it just proves the point that Obama criticism is rooted in racism.

Got to to go class now guys, have fun whistling Dixie while I'm gone.

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
Or perhaps you felt you needed to save your friend from his embarrssing defense of the Southen slavery culture.

Sorry Charlie, jallman is tough enough to defend himself.

My participation in the thread has been to chase you down with real claims of racism that have real substantiation and watch you flee from them in terror, because they make your side look bad, and their substantiated nature makes your unsubstantiated claims look like the Horse Hockey they are.

Watch Kids, its another jailbreak from the Dryer Trap . . .

Voidwar said:
Obama's racist preachers. Obama's racist Green Jobs Czar. Obama's racist Supreme Court appointee.

Thats where the racism claims WITH EVIDENCE are, and that is what I posted.

Devil505 · Sep 17, 2009

Truth Detector said:
Only if YOU wish to pretend that 9-11 never happened,

Many believe that the 9/11 attack was successful directly due to the ineptness of the Bush administration in:

1. Taking the entire month off (preceding the attack) AFTER being warned by the CIA that an Al Quieda attack was imminent

AND

2. Dismissing the FBI warnings that Arab men were paying cash to learn how to fly airliners.......Not take-off or landings...Just flight.

So...A good argument can be made that Bush & the GOP were derelict in their national security duties both before the 9/11 attack & after in the failing to ever get Bin Ladin & diverting attention to Iraq for oil.

Harshaw · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
There is no growing or understanding with the viewpoint that slavery as an institution was ok.

The fact that you keep insisting I'm referring to this says all that needs to be said.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU $%&#&^#^&" isn't much of a way to go through life, chief.

Still, it's interesting how many times you've said you're not going to "waste time" with this, yet, here you still are.

Laila · Sep 17, 2009

Truth Detector said:
Those poor bastards! What it must be like to be tortured by lectures on Liberalism each and every stinking day?! :shock: :mrgreen:

That is only if they have been very very bad

Jackboot · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
You can tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better.

If you want to believe the South was the victim, go ahead.

If you want to believe Southern slave culture was proud and noble, go ahead.

If you want to think the murder and bondage of an entire people was second to tariffs, go ahead.

Other than a few other fringe posters writing in this thread, no one outside of it will take you seriously.

Well I appreciate that......if only Lincoln had been as kind as you are.

jallman · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
Got to to go class now guys,

Wow...class is something I never pictured you having.

Hope it's a history class and they teach you something about the civil war. Or a logic class and they teach you about straw men. Or even a debate class. Hell, any kind of class could only help you.

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
And you'd be right because Beck is insane.

He is right, but it is not because of anything about Beck, it is because you are an ad hominem artist, and just supplied the proof.

Laila · Sep 17, 2009

Grim17 said:
I hate to throw a wet blanket on things... but I'm still waiting for evidence to be presented that Joe Wilson is a racist.

I know... I know... Irrelevant.

Liberals don't need no stinking evidence.

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Generalization i see :roll:

Devil505 · Sep 17, 2009

Grim17 said:
Anyone... Anyone... Beuller... Beuller...

.

Re-read this & other threads on this subject. Plenty has been posted already.

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

Laila said:
:rofl

How did you guess? I have a few slaves locked up in my shed but then again ... does it count if they are sex slaves? :shock:

Would you describe the shed as difficult to get into ?

jallman · Sep 17, 2009

Harshaw said:
The fact that you keep insisting I'm referring to this says all that needs to be said.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU $%&#&^#^&" isn't much of a way to go through life, chief.

Still, it's interesting how many times you've said you're not going to "waste time" with this, yet, here you still are.

I don't know what it is or where it's coming from but that's the second one this week that I have had to finally just drop onto my ignore list. And I rarely put anyone on ignore unless they are just so dense there's no point in trying to talk past their extra chromosome to try to get your point across.

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
It is a pathetic, racist point of view.

If you cared about racism, you would address this :

Voidwar said:
Obama's racist preachers. Obama's racist Green Jobs Czar. Obama's racist Supreme Court appointee.

Thats where the racism claims WITH EVIDENCE are, and that is what I posted.

Jackboot · Sep 17, 2009

I have long wondered how long it would take for logic to catch up with liberal(sorry...progressive) rhetoric, and I must say....I think we are finally making progress!

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

The_Limt said:
Keep thinking this is about "winning." In the meantime, I will live in the real world.

Naw, if you wanted to live in the real world, you would care about racism with real evidence. You however, prefer to make up racism about your political enemies, rather than address the documented and substantiated claims of racism on the part of your partisan brethren.

Here's the Real Incidents if you want to turn over a new leaf :

Voidwar said:
Obama's racist preachers. Obama's racist Green Jobs Czar. Obama's racist Supreme Court appointee.

Thats where the racism claims WITH EVIDENCE are, and that is what I posted.

Voidwar · Sep 17, 2009

Harshaw said:
But what you've done here today is actually pretty remarkable -- you've united a number of people who usually disagree with other to the common cause of exposing how weak your debate skills are.

Uber Pinata

Zyphlin · Sep 17, 2009

Devil505 said:
Many believe that the 9/11 attack was successful directly due to the ineptness of the Bush administration in:

And those people are generally hacks, extremely partisan agenda driven people, are extremely ignorant folks...or a mix of the three.

Making an argument that Bush's administrations actions played into it could legitimately be made. Making one that its directly due to them is absolutely asinine and strains credibility and logical thought, not to mention would make any honest and neutral person with any knowledge of national security and intellegence gathering blush at the mere thought of it. The amount of threats recieved on a daily basis is staggering, and even serious threats are hardly an uncommon thing. There was little logical true information and trying to pick one questionable thing, the planes, out of a field of hundreds of potential questionable things is like picking a needle out of a hay stack.

Nevermind that even if you go with the "Ineptness of Bush administration" theory you still could not lay the entire blame on them as its impossible, if you're going to blame Presidents, to not lay some at the feet of Clinton and indeed a more logical and strong argument could be made to place the blame on Clinton...though those that try to put the whole of the blame on him are also being foolish. From the piss poor reactions to the 1993 bombs, the embassy bombings, the kobar tower bombings, and the USS Cole bombings...to the Gorelick Wall that cause the actual Law Enforcement and Intelligence agencies and groups within the country from sharing information that would've made putting the pieces of the puzzle together FAR more likely than anything Bush could've done...to not capitalizing on taking out the head of the organization when it was possible, one can not soley or even majoritily put the blame on the Bush Administration alone while ignoring the Clinton administrations own actions.

No sir, you're just flat out wrong and make yourself look foolish in even trying to drum up this argument in the phony and rather pathetic disguise of you claiming that this is what others are saying to try to distance it from being your own obvious thought.

Ikari · Sep 17, 2009

Devil505 said:
A sensible argument, worthy of a serious response:

I believe my ideas (as to the motives of a majority of the anti-HC movement) are far more measurable & less fanciful than any others I can think of.
Are we supposed to really believe that..after 8 years of paying for all the fiascos & wars of Bush & the GOP...with not a word about how are we gonna pay for them...That SUDDENLY the GOP is fiscally responsible???...& only when a Dem is in the WH???

That this whole dog & pony show against HC reform isn't just to protect their masters.......Big Insurance?

No...I think my ideas on motive are much more believable than yours, & racism is just an ugly weapon to achieve their goal of keeping the status quo.

I think what's going on with the parties currently is partisan party politics, as per usual. No, they didn't care about spending before and some try to make it seem like they care about spending now. They don't. The Republicans and Democrats bicker and complain about the other side all the time. They aren't consistent, they rarely have valid point. That's another reason why I don't think this case with Wilson is motivated by racism. I see it as typical partisan politics.

And Obama's HC will be a play to the insurance companies as well. The Democrats are just as bought as the Republicans. Obama knows who his "friends" are.

Ikari · Sep 17, 2009

Devil505 said:
Re-read this & other threads on this subject. Plenty has been posted already.

I've seen a lot of coincidence and supposition, I haven't seen much in the way of actual proof.

jallman · Sep 17, 2009

Zyphlin said:
And those people are generally hacks, extremely partisan agenda driven people, are extremely ignorant folks...or a mix of the three.

I didn't really get much further than this before I noticed the avatar and user title. :shock:

Shock and awe. Shock and awe.

Too funny.

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