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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    The evidence for both slanderous claims = ZERO
    Same response for you:

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    No one's opinion requires proof.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Sorry chief.......No one's opinion requires proof.
    Prove which tastes better.....Chocolate or Vanilla ice cream.
    You seem to have a very large problem distinguishing between statements of preference and assertions of fact.

    At least, as long it you think it helps you make your point, anyway.

    But it doesn't even matter -- you're couching this in terms of the "topic" of the thread. The topic of the thread, as defined by the OP, is that it does require proof.

    So, decide what you're arguing here.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Same response for you:
    Your "response" gets you nowhere, as it is a non-parallel.

    Jimmy Carter did not say he did not like Joe Wilson.

    An attempt to parallel to personal preferences fails.

    Jimmy Carter said Joe Wilson's outburst was racist, a CLAIM, about real events in the outside world, and he made his slanderous claim with ZERO evidence.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You seem to have a very large problem distinguishing between statements of preference and assertions of fact.

    At least, as long it you think it helps you make your point, anyway.

    But it doesn't even matter -- you're couching this in terms of the "topic" of the thread. The topic of the thread, as defined by the OP, is that it does require proof.

    So, decide what you're arguing here.
    Again.......(I'll go slow here)....No one's opinion ever requires proof & some opinions cannot be proven at all.
    Carter's opinion my well be proven one day but does not require it.
    OP's opinion is just his opinion too, & posted for the purpose of starting a discussion....otherwise..why post it??..Right?

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Again.......(I'll go slow here)....No one's opinion ever requires proof & some opinions cannot be proven at all.
    Carter's opinion my well be proven one day but does not require it.
    OP's opinion is just his opinion too, & posted for the purpose of starting a discussion....otherwise..why post it??..Right?
    Again . . . "I'll go slow here" . . . the "topic" to which you want to slavishly cling (when you see it as advantageous) is about whether Carter is right or wrong.

    Don't screech at others for not sticking to the topic if you won't, champ. Simple as that.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Again . . . "I'll go slow here" . . . the "topic" to which you want to slavishly cling (when you see it as advantageous) is about whether Carter is right or wrong.

    Don't screech at others for not sticking to the topic if you won't, champ. Simple as that.


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    Is Carter Right Or Wrong?
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-20-09 at 01:53 PM.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    So if I say your posts on DP suggest that you have pedophilic tendancies, I don't need proof?
    Of course you don't need proof. You can say anything you want. (That's kinda of the point here)
    Now....if what you say is a lie & I can take you to court & sue for damages.
    Therefore...When is Wilson filing his suit against Carter?
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Late getting back to this, I know, but I'd just point out that I'm not necessarily saying that the SS thing is racist; only that the Confederate flag issue (a symbol, a piece of cloth) is trivial compared to an actual, live SS war criminal. I wouldn't necessarily play the race card on either of those.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I know allot more about Carter than I do about Wilson so, yes I think Jimmy Carter deserves my benefit of doubt where....... the little I know of Wilson does not lead me to give him the same.
    I know more about Carter also. And that point is irrelevant.

    I guess the only way I can answer that is to offer my whole life's experiences in which I have dealt with people of both good & bad character. I do not know enough about Wilson to say I KNOW he is a racist but I think I do know enough to have reasonable suspicions.
    You may not have these same suspicions but I do.
    Truthfully, this, to me, is nothing more than bias on your part. You are certainly entitled to it...as is everyone, but that's how it's coming across. I'm not sure whether it is ideologically based or whether there is some other basis, but you seem to be looking at this in a very one-sided way.

    It is getting late & I'm going to bed in a minute but I think the outrage against Carter is unfair & unjustified & while I can't prove he is right, no one can prove he is wrong either.
    I agree with this.



    Edit: I missed this earlier (told you it's getting late!)




    & how do you know he didn't think about the possible repercussions of his words? I would guess that he thought about it quite a bit but...only he can answer that question.
    He may have thought about it, but decided that what he wanted to say was more important than those repercussions. The "racist" issue demeans Obama's Presidency on many levels. If Carter wants to bring it up to present this as a reason for discourse towards Obama's policies, he failed miserably. He presented a red herring, rather than addressing the meat of the issue...something we see here at DP all the time.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    It's 7:16AM &, while having coffee I just wanted to add a thought to my comment on this subject of last night:
    Not only do I believe Carter gave some thought to his words before he spoke them, I think he fully appreciated their impact & understood that he would be vilified by many for saying them.
    I consider it a mark of the man's courage & integrity that, knowing he would undoubtedly be viciously attacked for saying them....he said them anyway because loves his country to much to remain silent.
    I do not think he understood the impact of his words. Maybe he did in their impact on him, but that is rather short-sighted. The conservative position and it's opposition towards Obama's policies is based on ideological differences. When Carter said what he did, he did two things. He dismissed opposition as having no credible position and as just attacking for the sake of attacking. Does this happen? Sure, but it is NOT SOP. He also marginalized Obama, giving the impression that attacking his policies gets one pegged as a racist. There is more to Obama than the color of his skin.

    He also did something that I had hoped would have ended with the Bush Presidency; got the extremists, especially on the left, all riled up, attacking and bashing the opposition, not on the issues, not on substance, but on something unproven and therefore incosequential. He should have known better.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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