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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Do you think he gave thought to the fact that he was about to embarrass the president?
    I'm sure he gave thought to it's effect on Obama but I wouldn't characterize it as "Embarrassing" him. (Obama)

    I believe that Carter felt it was something he needed to say for the purpose of bringing racism out as a topic of discussion.....yes.
    I would characterize its effect on Obama as a "Distraction" rather than an "embarrassment" though.
    Obama wants to talk about HC & Afghanistan & knows little good can come from HIS taking on race relations right now.
    Others can do that but Obama has bigger fish to fry, imo.



    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Do you think Obama appreciated his comments right before a tv talk show spree?
    No .......for the reasons I stated above.
    (but I personally feel that bringing race out into the open is a GOOD thing for this country to be discussing right now.



    Here's the way I perceive the majority of anti-Obama movements in this country, including the HC debate:



    Objective....Strategy.....Tactics


    1. Objective:
    A.I think the GOP's (& far right's) objective is to discredit the Obama Admin. for the purpose of gaining back political power in this country.
    B. I think the HC Industry's objective is to kill HC reform entirely..or at least dilute it enough to protect their corporate profits



    2. Strategy:
    I think both the GOP & the Insurance industry is hoping to achieve their objective through a strategy of undermining everything that Obams tries to do.

    3. Tactics:
    I think the tactics being used to affect their startegy are:
    Fear, Misinformation, Outright Lies, & appeal to racial fears.....or racism.

    Thus, imo..... Former President Carter was addressing the tactic of racism &, if he feels that it is the basic motive of Wilson's outburst, I disgree. It was Greed first. (whether greed or racism, Wilson's outburst was reprehensible & he deserves to lose his seat next election)
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So basically you have nothing but a blog to prove that Wilson saying "You lie!" was racist. You're joking, right?
    I don't have to prove that Wilson is a racist. That's not my point. My point is he planned to be disruptive. My point is Carter spoke to a larger pattern of disrespect in the political landscape that has racial implications.

    That he happens to have been Strom Thurman's prodigy and the guy who wants to fly the Confederate flag on the state capitol is mere circumstance.

    The actions of him taking his apology back and continuing to call Obama a liar over and over in talk shows proves his apology is disingenuous at least.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    I don't have to prove that Wilson is a racist. That's not my point. My point is he planned to be disruptive. My point is Carter spoke to a larger pattern of disrespect in the political landscape that has racial implications.

    That he happens to have been Strom Thurman's prodigy and the guy who wants to fly the Confederate flag on the state capitol is mere circumstance.

    The actions of him taking his apology back and continuing to call Obama a liar over and over in talk shows proves his apology is disingenuous at least.
    No, you point is he's racist, don't think I'm letting you off easy. You're not changing the subject as long as I'm in this thread. You're going to prove to me that saying "You lie!" is racist, and so is every other liberal that comes in here and shows his face. We're going to end this bull****, and you libs are either going to shutup or prove those words are racist. So trying as you may, I'm going to jerk you back to that point by the collar of your shirt every single time you try to veer off.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, you point is he's racist, don't think I'm letting you off easy. You're not changing the subject as long as I'm in this thread. You're going to prove to me that saying "You lie!" is racist, and so is every other liberal that comes in here and shows his face. We're going to end this bull****, and you libs are either going to shutup or prove those words are racist. So trying as you may, I'm going to jerk you back to that point by the collar of your shirt every single time you try to veer off.
    You rant is bordering on attempting to derail this thread ......which relates to former President Carter's comments & requires no proof that his comments were provable or not. I suggest your anger towards a fellow member is uncalled for & does not help your side in this debate!
    I further suggest that windovervocalcords not respond to your outbursts.
    Perhaps this topic is to emotional for you to continue to post to.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, you point is he's racist, don't think I'm letting you off easy. You're not changing the subject as long as I'm in this thread. You're going to prove to me that saying "You lie!" is racist, and so is every other liberal that comes in here and shows his face. We're going to end this bull****, and you libs are either going to shutup or prove those words are racist. So trying as you may, I'm going to jerk you back to that point by the collar of your shirt every single time you try to veer off.
    Nope. Carter's comments were in a broader context. Read the entirety of what he said. He commented on scatological language and a number of other phenomena in a more widespread atmosphere of disrespect.

    I have already conceded that the phrase 'you lie' is not racist. Joe Wilson is however.

    He is Strom Thurman's prodigy and a good ol boy who wants to fly the Confederate flag over the state capitol.

    This was planned disruption and disrespect and Wilson's 'apology' is hollow BS.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Nope. Carter's comments were in a broader context. Read the entirety of what he said. He commented on scatological language and a number of other phenomena in a more widespread atmosphere of disrespect.

    I have already conceded that the phrase 'you lie' is not racist. Joe Wilson is however.

    He is Strom Thurman's prodigy and a good ol boy who wants to fly the Confederate flag over the state capitol.

    This was planned disruption and disrespect and Wilson's 'apology' is hollow BS.
    Oops!!...I was to late!

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Nope. Carter's comments were in a broader context. Read the entirety of what he said. He commented on scatological language and a number of other phenomena in a more widespread atmosphere of disrespect.

    I have already conceded that the phrase 'you lie' is not racist. Joe Wilson is however.

    He is Strom Thurman's prodigy and a good ol boy who wants to fly the Confederate flag over the state capitol.

    This was planned disruption and disrespect and Wilson's 'apology' is hollow BS.
    Then the thead can be closed. Carter seems to know about about scat alright, the communist lover.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then the thead can be closed. Carter seems to know about about scat alright, the communist lover.
    Joe Wilson is a disrespectful partisan hack now playing victim. Wilson has a financial interest in opposing health care reform, and he will fight it with every privileged bone in his body.
    Last edited by windovervocalcords; 09-20-09 at 12:42 PM.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Joe Wilson is a disrespectful partisan hack now playing victim. Wilson has a financial interest in opposing health care reform, and he will fight it with every privileged bone in his body.
    Well put!

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Well put!
    Heh, you two are a joke.
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