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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree that words have consequences & can cause problems, but there is no proof the Carter's words were a result of haste, nor is there a required threshold needed to be reached to have a concern. Just as words have consequences, saying nothing about a perceived major problem can also lead to terrible consequences.
    A former President , one must assume, loves his country & has it's best interests at heart. So, I feel that Jimmy Carter felt it was his moral & patriotic duty to express his concerns , which I happen to agree with.......in part:
    You were OK, right up to this part: "A former President , one must assume, loves his country & has it's best interests at heart." This is the leap that is problematic. One cannot assume that Carter, or any former President has their country's best interests at heart. It is certainly possible that their behaviors could be self serving. I am not saying that Carter's were, but one does not need to give automatic respect to a former President because they are a former President.

    I think the major motivation against Obama's HC plan is simple greed, not racism...but...... I think that big insurance is "Pulling Out All The Stops" in their fight to keep their high profits & are deliberately using racism against this nation's first black President as one tactic in fighting HC reform. Wilson has received major financial assistance from the insurance industry, so to say that is not enough probable cause to back a reasonable concern by former President Carter..... is not credible to me.

    Thus....My opinion is that greed is the major motive & racism is just one of the tactics being used.

    The only ones who can say for sure what their motivations were are former President Carter & Joe Wilson. Anyone else is just guessing.
    I agree with the greed explanation, fully. The racism explanation is very weak and I do not see it in the context you are discussing. I have seen no evidence pointing towards racism in this situation, and would prefer to give folks the benefit of the doubt before making these kinds of accusations. This is my problem with Carter's comment.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You were OK, right up to this part: "A former President , one must assume, loves his country & has it's best interests at heart." This is the leap that is problematic. One cannot assume that Carter, or any former President has their country's best interests at heart. It is certainly possible that their behaviors could be self serving. I am not saying that Carter's were, but one does not need to give automatic respect to a former President because they are a former President.
    While it is possible that Carter's motives were self serving, it is also possible that they represent a true concern on his part...... & from all I know of Jimmy Carter, I will give him the benefit of that doubt.
    He isn't out hawking a new book or doing anything else that would lead ME to believe that he isn't sincere in his concerns.
    Now, whether or not his concerns are TRUE is another matter, but irrelevant to his motives.




    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree with the greed explanation, fully. The racism explanation is very weak and I do not see it in the context you are discussing. I have seen no evidence pointing towards racism in this situation, and would prefer to give folks the benefit of the doubt before making these kinds of accusations. This is my problem with Carter's comment.
    I prefer to accept the possibility that racism is playing a part in all this & whether it is the base motive or simply a tactic is debatable.
    In either case it is reprehensible if true.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    While it is possible that Carter's motives were self serving, it is also possible that they represent a true concern on his part & from all I know of Jimmy Carter, I will give him the benefit of that doubt.
    He isn't out hawking a new book or doing anything else that would lead ME to believe that he isn't sincere in his concerns.
    Now, whether or not his concerns are TRUE is another matter, but irrelevant to his motives.
    Hmmm...so you give Carter the benefit of the doubt, but not Wilson. Wanna play Hypocrisy Check! ?

    In truth, Carter's motivations are irrelevant. One must consider the repercussions of his words. One would think that a former President would consider this.





    I prefer to accept the possibility that racism is playing a part in all this & whether it is the base motive or simply a tactic is debatable.
    In either case it is reprehensible if true.
    Well, then I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps a good question would be why you would prefer to accept the possibility that racism is a part of this.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    So, someone who supports not extraditing a SS war criminal would be a racist; someone who supports flying the Confederate flag is NOT racist. Is this your position?
    Late getting back to this, I know, but I'd just point out that I'm not necessarily saying that the SS thing is racist; only that the Confederate flag issue (a symbol, a piece of cloth) is trivial compared to an actual, live SS war criminal. I wouldn't necessarily play the race card on either of those.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm...so you give Carter the benefit of the doubt, but not Wilson.
    I know allot more about Carter than I do about Wilson so, yes I think Jimmy Carter deserves my benefit of doubt where....... the little I know of Wilson does not lead me to give him the same.




    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post

    Well, then I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps a good question would be why you would prefer to accept the possibility that racism is a part of this.
    I guess the only way I can answer that is to offer my whole life's experiences in which I have dealt with people of both good & bad character. I do not know enough about Wilson to say I KNOW he is a racist but I think I do know enough to have reasonable suspicions.
    You may not have these same suspicions but I do.

    It is getting late & I'm going to bed in a minute but I think the outrage against Carter is unfair & unjustified & while I can't prove he is right, no one can prove he is wrong either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In truth, Carter's motivations are irrelevant. One must consider the repercussions of his words. One would think that a former President would consider this.

    & how do you know he didn't think about the possible repercussions of his words? I would guess that he thought about it quite a bit but...only he can answer that question.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    In truth, Carter's motivations are irrelevant. One must consider the repercussions of his words. One would think that a former President would consider this.

    It's 7:16AM &, while having coffee I just wanted to add a thought to my comment on this subject of last night:
    Not only do I believe Carter gave some thought to his words before he spoke them, I think he fully appreciated their impact & understood that he would be vilified by many for saying them.
    I consider it a mark of the man's courage & integrity that, knowing he would undoubtedly be viciously attacked for saying them....he said them anyway because loves his country to much to remain silent.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    It's 7:16AM &, while having coffee I just wanted to add a thought to my comment on this subject of last night:
    Not only do I believe Carter gave some thought to his words before he spoke them, I think he fully appreciated their impact & understood that he would be vilified by many for saying them.
    I consider it a mark of the man's courage & integrity that, knowing he would undoubtedly be viciously attacked for saying them....he said them anyway because loves his country to much to remain silent.
    Carter gave thought to his comments. Obama has given thought to a wise response., Wilson gave thought to his comments--I'm sure they were planned rather than a random uncontrolled outburst.

    None of the Republicans looked surprised or even turned their heads in his direction when he said "you're lying".

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    It's 7:16AM &, while having coffee I just wanted to add a thought to my comment on this subject of last night:
    Not only do I believe Carter gave some thought to his words before he spoke them, I think he fully appreciated their impact & understood that he would be vilified by many for saying them.
    I consider it a mark of the man's courage & integrity that, knowing he would undoubtedly be viciously attacked for saying them....he said them anyway because loves his country to much to remain silent.
    Show me Carter's evidence.
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