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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    I'd have to say that neither is indicative of racism in and of itself.


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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Mostly because there are a lot of possible motivations for doing either which have nothing to do with "racism." You may find racist intent once you dig deeper, but it's not at all a given.

    (Though, of course, it raises the question . . . is anti-Semitism properly called "racism"?)
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Mostly because there are a lot of possible motivations for doing either which have nothing to do with "racism." You may find racist intent once you dig deeper, but it's not at all a given.

    (Though, of course, it raises the question . . . is anti-Semitism properly called "racism"?)
    You are correct, sir. One could be against extradition of an SS war criminal because they believe that the person would receive a more fair trial, elsewhere...or they could be against extradition in general. One could support the flying of the Confederate flag to show support for current southern states, or to support the States Rights aspect of the Civil War. Intent is very important in these scenarios, and labeling something, on the surface as racist, without digging deeper to discovering the "why" is short-sighted and could lead to an inaccurate conclusion.

    Well done, Harshaw.

    And as to your question, "is anti-semitism racism?" Terminology-wise it is more of a short-cut towards describing prejudicial behavior towards Jews. So the best answer would be, as short-cut terminology, yes.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'Try derailing this thread, too, and you'll be gone quicker than you can spell flag.

    This is not derailing the thread.

    This is you pushing an emotional agenda against me.

    Agent Ferris has already made many claims regarding Carter and his apparent "Nazi" sympathies.

    Does he merit a warning? No.

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    Because you have it out for me.

    For everyone's sake, I think you should click the back button and see yourself out of this thread.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

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    One could support the flying of the Confederate flag to show support for current southern states...
    Quite comical reasoning. But totally expected.

    It's like saying its ok to fly a Nazi flag, as long as the "intent" to fly it was based on the idea that the Nazi's brought Germany together. And everyone is for togetherness.

    In the real world, you don't fly the Nazi flag because its apparent what it means to fly it.

    Just like it is for the Confederate flag - racism, hatred and oppression.

    Most capitol buildings don't fly it anymore.

    And its obvious why.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Quite comical reasoning. But totally expected.

    It's like saying its ok to fly a Nazi flag, as long as the "intent" to fly it was based on the idea that the Nazi's brought Germany together. And everyone is for togetherness.

    Just like it is for the Confederate flag - racism, hatred and oppression.
    That is a very piss poor interpretation of history.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post


    By the way, the first state that seceeded did so because of the election of Lincoln, precisly because he was an abolitionist.
    No he wasn't, he tried to write Southern slavery into the constitution.


    How can you sit there and defend a 'southern system' that claims to just be defending their freedom against the Federal government when they so malevolently denied that same freedom to slaves?
    Because it is two different issues.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Carter can say what he wants...as can we all. But words of consequences, and words said, in haste, or without substantiation, not only are dangerous, and can create problems where there are none...as I said in an earlier post in this thread, but can most certainly be criticized.

    If Carter can have a belief and say it, others can think this belief is idiotic and say it. It works both ways.
    I agree that words have consequences & can cause problems, but there is no proof the Carter's words were a result of haste, nor is there a required threshold needed to be reached to have a concern. Just as words have consequences, saying nothing about a perceived major problem can also lead to terrible consequences.
    A former President , one must assume, loves his country & has it's best interests at heart. So, I feel that Jimmy Carter felt it was his moral & patriotic duty to express his concerns , which I happen to agree with.......in part:

    I think the major motivation against Obama's HC plan is simple greed, not racism...but...... I think that big insurance is "Pulling Out All The Stops" in their fight to keep their high profits & are deliberately using racism against this nation's first black President as one tactic in fighting HC reform. Wilson has received major financial assistance from the insurance industry, so to say that is not enough probable cause to back a reasonable concern by former President Carter..... is not credible to me.

    Thus....My opinion is that greed is the major motive & racism is just one of the tactics being used.

    The only ones who can say for sure what their motivations were are former President Carter & Joe Wilson. Anyone else is just guessing.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    Quite comical reasoning. But totally expected.

    It's like saying its ok to fly a Nazi flag, as long as the "intent" to fly it was based on the idea that the Nazi's brought Germany together. And everyone is for togetherness.

    In the real world, you don't fly the Nazi flag because its apparent what it means to fly it.

    Just like it is for the Confederate flag - racism, hatred and oppression.

    Most capitol buildings don't fly it anymore.

    And its obvious why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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