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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

liblady said:
this is racist. why do you deny the obvious?

The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.


As quoted in Flush Rush Quarterly (January 1993) and in "Limbaugh : A Color Man Who Has A Problem With Color?" by Jeff Cohen and Steve Rendall in FAIR and The Los Angeles Times (6 July 2000), and in "Off Sides" by Michael Tomasky in The American Prospect (16 July 2003)
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Wait are you using completely unrelated Rush quotes to prove a song Rush played is racist?

If you want to argue if Rush is a racist, that's a whole seperate argument and one I can't participate in because I don't listen to Rush. I've only heard him a few times, and found him to be full of himself and annoying. But saying Rush = Racist (even if its true, which I can't really say) doesn't mean everything Rush says or plays = Racist. So let's stick to debating the song that you brought up and not switch topics for no apparent reason.

I want you to listen to the song and pay attention to the lyrics. Here's a link:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5JFeaJ5A4g&feature=related"]YouTube - Barack The Magic Negro - The Authentic Version[/ame]

And tell me specifically what is so racist about Barak the Magic Negro. Quote for me actually racist lyrics from the song. I await your response eagerly.
 
Goobieman said:
There's nothing "obvious" in your positions other than you cannot support them.
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really? i'm sorry, what's this?

The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.


As quoted in Flush Rush Quarterly (January 1993) and in "Limbaugh : A Color Man Who Has A Problem With Color?" by Jeff Cohen and Steve Rendall in FAIR and The Los Angeles Times (6 July 2000), and in "Off Sides" by Michael Tomasky in The American Prospect (16 July 2003)
 
liblady said:
you do realize that rush has made many racist statements over the years?
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no need to bring up "over the years." he's made em this year and last year.

[Obama is] "a veritable rookie whose only chance of winning is that he's black." - Rush Limbaugh

Psychoclown said:
And tell me specifically what is so racist about Barak the Magic Negro. Quote for me actually racist lyrics from the song. I await your response eagerly.
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What is racism?
 
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liblady said:
really? i'm sorry, what's this?
The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.
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These are racist... how?
Oh wait -- I know -- INTENT.
:rofl
 
liblady said:
you do realize that rush has made many racist statements over the years?
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I've listened to him for over 10 years now. I know what he says. Any amount of "racism" (and I don't see it) in Rush can't come close to the racism of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
 
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Devil505 said:
If you really believe the left is as prone to violence as the far right, I suggest do some research comparing the Timothy McVeighs & the abortion doctor murderer to any left wing violence. Your position is way off the mark.
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Using McVeigh to paint the right as violent nutjobs is like using Lee Harvey Oswald to paint the left as violent nutjobs. Both sides have their extremist whackos, but to claim there is a rising undercurrent of violence is claiming that is moved beyond a few fringe lunatics and is now infecting more and more people. I see no evidence for that.

People hate Barak Obama passionately and often without being entirely informed or coherent. People hated Bush passionately and often without being entirely informed or coherent. Two sides of the same coin.
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah. The song skewers Sharpton for his racism.

Yet, you still seem to think it's about Limbaugh's racism.
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i don't think the song should have been played. but nevermind, because even when i post other instances of what i perceive to be rush's racism, it's denied here. i won't be having this particular conversation again.

funny, i started by responded to the op that i agreed carter was not justified in his comment about wilson.
 
liblady said:
i don't think the song should have been played. but nevermind, because even when i post other instances of what i perceive to be rush's racism, it's denied here. i won't be having this particular conversation again.

funny, i started by responded to the op that i agreed carter was not justified in his comment about wilson.
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As good as you are at dodging people's points, you should play professional dodgeball!
 
Psychoclown said:
Using McVeigh to paint the right as violent nutjobs is like using Lee Harvey Oswald to paint the left as violent nutjobs. Both sides have their extremist whackos, but to claim there is a rising undercurrent of violence is claiming that is moved beyond a few fringe lunatics and is now infecting more and more people. I see no evidence for that.

People hate Barak Obama passionately and often without being entirely informed or coherent. People hated Bush passionately and often without being entirely informed or coherent. Two sides of the same coin.
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There is a ton of evidence pointing to the likely fact that Oswald was a pasty.
 
Psychoclown said:
Wait are you using completely unrelated Rush quotes to prove a song Rush played is racist?

If you want to argue if Rush is a racist, that's a whole seperate argument and one I can't participate in because I don't listen to Rush. I've only heard him a few times, and found him to be full of himself and annoying. But saying Rush = Racist (even if its true, which I can't really say) doesn't mean everything Rush says or plays = Racist. So let's stick to debating the song that you brought up and not switch topics for no apparent reason.

I want you to listen to the song and pay attention to the lyrics. Here's a link:

YouTube - Barack The Magic Negro - The Authentic Version

And tell me specifically what is so racist about Barak the Magic Negro. Quote for me actually racist lyrics from the song. I await your response eagerly.
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rush's body of work as a whole suggest he is a racist. i brought up his playing of that song as one example of his racism. one example, and there are others. the focus on this single item is ridiculous. how about this? the song's not racist.

rush is. for many reasons, including the quote i provided, and including his telling a caller to take a bone out of her nose.
 
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Alex said:
"Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst to President Barack Obama during a speech to Congress last week was an act 'based on racism' and rooted in fears of a black president."

"'I think it's based on racism,' Carter said in response to an audience question at a town hall held at his presidential center in Atlanta. 'There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president.'"

I am failing to see how Wilson's outburst was in any way a racist one.
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I'm failing to see how Carter's comments were in any way specifically directed at Joe Wilson. I've looked around and viewed the videos, and I just cannot find it.

Can anyone provide the full text of Carter's remarks (both at the town hall and later in the TV interview), with some kind of evidence that Carter's comments about racism in America were pointedly and explicitly directed at Wilson?

Or is just it the agonized twisting of Carter's broad remarks when he said:

I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African American.
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Beyond this, why can't the man have his own opinion?
 
liblady said:
rush's body of work as a whole suggest he is a racist.
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Another dodge!

As I said, I can't debate Rush's body of work because I don't listen to him and have no desire to. However, YOU brought up a specific song and YOU claimed THAT SONG was racist. I'm still waiting for you to explain exactly how that song is racist.
 
niftydrifty said:
no need to bring up "over the years." he's made em this year and last year.

[Obama is] "a veritable rookie whose only chance of winning is that he's black." - Rush Limbaugh



What is racism?
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ROBERTS: The only group she still really has is white women, and I do think that there's some possibility that you will see a sort of reaction among white women. I had the opportunity --

STEPHY: Like New Hampshire.

ROBERTS: -- to interview Billie Jean King this week. And she said, "You know, I feel like everything I've worked for all my life is going out the window," and there is that sense. I mean, here is this woman who worked hard. She's done it all the way you're supposed to do it, and then this cute young man comes in and says a bunch of sweet, you know, nothings, and -- and pushes you out of the way. And a lot of women are looking at that and saying, "There goes my life."

RUSH: Boy! Do I know these people or do I know these people? That's almost verbatim what I predicted they would say! Down to the fact that the guy is saying nothing, and women think their lives are over; everything they've worked for is toast. This is why I want Hillary to stay in this. This is fracture. This is dissent. This is anger on the Democrat side. We want to promote this. Look at this. We got more Cokie Roberts come up in just a second. From St. Petersburg Times here in Florida: "'Party Frets Over Fractious Tone' -- Will Democrats unite behind their nominee when the sniping ends? This is a particularly precarious moment for Democrats, as Clinton's options for victory increasingly seem limited to tearing down Obama or persuading party leaders to hand her the nomination at the nominating convention even if Obama has won more votes and pledged delegates. Anxiety is especially acute in Florida, the country's most diverse battleground state. Not only do Sunshine State Democrats see potential long-term damage should Florida wind up with no voice at the Democrat nomination, they also see the prospect that the politics of hope could be trumped by the politics of race, gender, and ethnicity."
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Here's the context about how women are fretting that they worked hard to move up as illustrated by Hillary Clinton, only to be trumped by an inexperienced black man who spent like four years in govt.
 
Glinda said:
I'm failing to see how Carter's comments were in any way specifically directed at Joe Wilson. I've looked around and viewed the videos, and I just cannot find it.

Can anyone provide the full text of Carter's remarks (both at the town hall and later in the TV interview), with some kind of evidence that Carter's comments about racism in America were pointedly and explicitly directed at Wilson?

Or is just it the agonized twisting of Carter's broad remarks when he said:
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Watch the video at the link.
 
Glinda said:
Beyond this, why can't the man have his own opinion?
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He can have an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. But his opinion is unsubstantiated and therefore lacks validity. It could be my opinion that Jimmy Carter is an android sent by hostile aliens to ruin this nation one stupid remark at a time, but without evidence to back it up, its hardly something folks should take serious, is it?
 
Psychoclown said:
Another dodge!

As I said, I can't debate Rush's body of work because I don't listen to him and have no desire to. However, YOU brought up a specific song and YOU claimed THAT SONG was racist. I'm still waiting for you to explain exactly how that song is racist.
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i edited my post.
 
Psychoclown said:
Using McVeigh to paint the right as violent nutjobs is like using Lee Harvey Oswald to paint the left as violent nutjobs. Both sides have their extremist whackos, but to claim there is a rising undercurrent of violence is claiming that is moved beyond a few fringe lunatics and is now infecting more and more people. I see no evidence for that.
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If your belief is the far right is no more prone to violence then the far left.... then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have neither the intention or inclination to spend the afternoon dredging up FBI statistic on the issue.
We both are entitled to our beliefs but......I'll stand pat with mine.;)
 
liblady said:
rush's body of work as a whole suggest he is a racist. i brought up his playing of that song as one example of his racism. one example, and there are others. the focus on this single item is ridiculous. how about this? the song's not racist.

rush is. for many reasons, including the quote i provided, and including his telling a caller to take a bone out of her nose.
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This thread isn't about Limbaugh, did you know that?
 
Devil505 said:
If your belief is the far right is no more prone to violence then the far left.... then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have neither the intention or inclination to spend the afternoon dredging up FBI statistic on the issue.
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That is, you'll make a statement and refuse to back it up.
Color me surprised.
 
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