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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As far as I know Jimmy Carter has not labeled everyone who disagrees with Obama a racist.
    Did you watch the video?He dismissed criticism of him as racist,therefore deflecting much needed criticism from a failure of an administration.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNixon View Post
    Did you watch the video?He dismissed criticism of him as racist,therefore deflecting much needed criticism from a failure of an administration.
    No..I didn't see the whole video & if Carter said or implied that ALL anti Obama criticism is racially motivated then he is clearly wrong. I doubt that is what he meant.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No..I didn't see the whole video & if Carter said or implied that ALL anti Obama criticism is racially motivated then he is clearly wrong. I doubt that is what he meant.
    That's what he said lol.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNixon View Post
    That's what he said lol.
    OK...I just watched the beginning of the video & Carter accused "Many People".....not all.
    Do you have a time reference in the tape when he says ALL anti Obama complaints are racist?

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Those who claim they KNOW Wilson's outburst was racially motivated are no more compelling than those who claim they KNOW it was not.
    Unless you're a mind reader, no one can KNOW what is going on in another man's mind.
    That is right, so there is no need to speculate based on such nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    That being said, a reasonable person can have strong suspicions that Wilson's outburst was in fact racially motivated, ...
    No. A reasonable person would not have such thoughts to start with.
    A reasonable person would do what CaptainCourtesy is doing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Very little is know about SC Congressman Joe Wilson at this point, but there is enough evidence out there to convince me that racism MAY well have been his motive.
    Wow!


    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As a piece of information I offer in support of my suspicion I offer a portion of Maureen Dowd's NY Times column in which she writes:
    "The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.
    ImmigrationProf Blog: Is Joe Wilson a Racist?
    Her opinion of Wilson's actions is not evidence.
    And why didn't you provide her article where she makes this statement instead of relying on another's quote of her?
    Could it be that in it, she herself, exposes her own bigoted thought's, making her a crappy source?

    But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    A housewife's blog from Wisconsin as evidence? Seriously?



    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Here is a web search...with many more hits.... in response to the question: Is Joe Wilson racist:
    joe wilson racist? - Yahoo! Search Results
    Big deal!
    You only get 2,350,000 for joe wilson racist?
    Whereas;
    You only get 29,200,000 for president obama racist? 25 million+ more.
    It means nothing as to whether they are or are not.



    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I offer the above not as proof of Wilson's racial motivation but as proof that such a charge cannot possibly be simply dismissed out of hand.
    In police work, the test of "Probable Cause" is one that an investigator must pass in order to receive an arrest or search warrant from a court of law & , while the evidence threshold is low in an application for a warrant, it must be reasonable enough to convince a judge or magistrate that a search is warranted. I believe (my opinion) the above information would establish enough "PC" to get a search warrant from any magistrate in this country, if applied for.
    What you provided would only be enough to get you laughed out of the building and would be a source of amusement for years to come.





    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Alright your honor.........I admit the evidence I presented (at this time) is sparse but I'd ask if you read this portion of Ms. Dowd's article as well: (Wilson) "denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. "
    One persons opinion is not proof of anything other than, it is there opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    In the mean time, I'd request this court issue an order to Rep. Joe Wilson to not erase or destroy any letters, computer files or electronic communications in his possession or control that may shed some more light on his motivations.
    Wilson's motivations are clear.
    Obama is a liar.
    Why not try put the focus on the one who is a liar (Obama), instead of trying to discredit the messenger.


    You and Carter are engaged in the same thing. Trying to deflect away from the fact that Obama is liar and trying to discredit one person who openly calls him out for it.

    But for the sake of argument, lets say Wilson is a racist.
    It wouldn't matter because he spoke truthfully.
    Obama is a liar.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    President Carter got it right
    the reich wing is ginning up anti-Obama support using racist undertones
    the bowel movement of the teabaggers has little to do with opposition to health care reform and much to do with opposition to Obama
    but when the teabaggers are questioned about specific objections, they come up empty
    yep, Jimmy pegged it
    it's so obvious, Stevie Wonder could see it
    Do you have any actual evidence that Wilson is a racist? Is there a video of him saying he hated black people, did he use the term nigger disparaging way, is there a video of him dressed like a terrorist wearing a sheet and a hood, or any thing else to prove that the man is a racist? When people make blatantly bogus claims of racism they look like stupid ignorant desperate pieces of ****.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    I live deep into the south and the only time I hear the N word is listening to rap music on the radio

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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Jimmy Carter has it ALL WRONG. Joe's comments weren't made because he's a racist. He said what he said because he's a dumbass.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Jimmy Carter has it ALL WRONG. Joe's comments weren't made because he's a racist. He said what he said because he's a dumbass.
    Show us where Wilson was inaccurate though. You can't.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As a piece of information I offer in support of my suspicion I offer a portion of Maureen Dowd's NY Times column in which she writes:
    "The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol
    Weak "evidence" at best. Plenty of folks believe in the Confederacy's stand for state rights and embrace the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern history and pride. The flag has been used by racists, but not exclusively.

    and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.
    ImmigrationProf Blog: Is Joe Wilson a Racist?
    One could consider the the claim of Thurmond having an illegitimate daughter, regardless of her race, to be a smear. The fact that she ended up being Thurmond's daughter shows that Wilson rushed to judge, but doesn't mean his response was racially motivated.

    Additionally I offer this:
    Mary's World: Joe Wilson is the Poster Child for the Racist Right.

    Here is a web search...with many more hits.... in response to the question: Is Joe Wilson racist:
    joe wilson racist? - Yahoo! Search Results
    Kooky stuff you find on the internet hardly is evidence. If it was, I'd be able to prove that both Bush and Obama are the anti-christ, 9/11 was an inside job, aliens built the pyramids, and Brittany Spears is the greatest musical artist ever. All of which are clearly insane.

    I offer the above not as proof of Wilson's racial motivation but as proof that such a charge cannot possibly be simply dismissed out of hand.
    In police work, the test of "Probable Cause" is one that an investigator must pass in order to receive an arrest or search warrant from a court of law & , while the evidence threshold is low in an application for a warrant, it must be reasonable enough to convince a judge or magistrate that a search is warranted. I believe (my opinion) the above information would establish enough "PC" to get a search warrant from any magistrate in this country, if applied for.
    I look at from a different point of view. Racism is a serious charge and is considered to be one of the most dispicable things a person can be. It should only be raised when the case is clear. Claims of racism without any solid foundation weaken the strength of the call to address legitimate problems we still have with race. It poisons and undermines our progress towards ending racism.
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