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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

I'm new here and hesitate to get into the middle of this but it would appear that Jimmy Carter is being attacked here for stating his beliefs & whether his beliefs are right or wrong he has the right to speak them, as do all citizens.

He's being attacked because his beliefs are bull****, and this isn't an attack but a counterattack against a senile old nazi bastard.
 
Here are just a few posts (from the first few pages of this thread) which would tend to show that our belief that former President Carter had a right to express his beliefs is not accepted here & that he (Carter) was viciously attacked for presenting his beliefs in many of these posts.Again, keep in mind these are attacks on someone simply for having & expressing his beliefs. (if I had more time I'm sure I could find allot more & probably worse in tone!)

Oh he's allowed to express his beliefs but we aren't allowed to express our beliefs that he's a nazi POS who hates Jews? I mean there is far far more evidence to attest to those assertions than the assertion that Wilson's statement was based on racism of which there is none. But I get it now freedom of speech only applies to that speech which you subscribe to, well Seig Heil to that Mein Fuhror.

Carter is a Nazi and a Jihadist sympathizer, and those are not opinions those are evidence based facts.
 
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Oh he's allowed to express his beliefs but we aren't allowed to express our beliefs that he's a nazi POS who hates Jews? I mean there is far far more evidence to attest to those assertions than the assertion that Wilson's statement was based on racism of which there is none.

Carter is a Nazi and a Jihadist sympathizer, and those are not opinions those are evidence based facts.

Thanks for making my case! (no need to search for more hate posts)

Carter's only offense is stating his fears about racism & yet he is being vilified for it!
Suppose....just suppose...there is some truth to his fears?
He's an EX-PRESIDENT & obviously loves his country.
He has no right to express himself?
 
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Thanks for making my case!

Carter's only offense is stating his fears about racism & yet he is being vilified for it!

No sir the man is a Nazi sympathizer that is a ****ing fact, he vilified himself when he spoke on the behalf of a nazi ss war criminal in order to escape extradition, he vilified himself when he spoke on the behalf of Jihadists in Palestine, Lebanon, and across the Middle East with his demented regurgitated propaganda piece entitled "Peace not Apartheid" when not mentioning a ****ing word about the plight of any non-Muslim the vast majority of Muslim majority countries on the planet.

These statements sir are backed up by what we hear in the realitybased community like to refer to as facts and evidence unlike what the jew hating nazi and Islamist loving dixiecrat POS Carter said about Wilson.

Suppose....just suppose...there is some truth to his fears?

Supposition? I kind of like to stick to you those little things called facts and evidence.

He's an EX-PRESIDENT & obviously loves his country.

No he's a nazi war criminal sympathizing pro-Jihadist jew hating POS on the payroll of and in the pockets of Arab oil interests. Get educated

He has no right to express himself?

He has everyright in the world, and as do I to tell the truth about Jimmy Carter, especially considering that my statements are actually backed up by facts and evidence whereas his are not.

Freedom of speech is a two way street, get used to it, this is still a free country, at least for now.
 
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To give you what you want, I have to find a post that actually SAYS...."Carter has no right to believe that"??

If you want to make the case that they're saying he has no right to do so . . . yes.

No point in further arguing the point...I gave you what you asked for & your denial of that does not change the reality.

Hence, everything I said, supra.
 
I'm new here and hesitate to get into the middle of this but it would appear that Jimmy Carter is being attacked here for stating his beliefs & whether his beliefs are right or wrong he has the right to speak them, as do all citizens.


Two-way street Jedd. He can say it, if he's stupid enough, and we can call him a idiotic POS for saying it. It's called freedom of speech, enjoy it.
 
You must have misunderstood the question.

This is NOT evidence about Wilson's outburst, it is an opinion.

Yes, an informed opinion based on the many circumstances centering on Wilson's membership in a fringe racist organization, and a nasty vote to keep flying a flag that represents racism, violence and slavery - the St. Andrews cross.

I look at Wilson and I ask myself "Has this guy ever said the word nigger in a demeaning manner, in his liftime?"

The answer...

...yes.

You don't have to like my opinion, frankly I could not give a damn.

Anyone who votes to keep flying that flag at any public office is a racist son of bitch.
 
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Yes, an informed opinion based on the many circumstances centering on Wilson's membership in a fringe racist organization, and a nasty vote to keep flying a flag that represents racism, violence and slavery - the St. Andrews cross.

Ummm . . .

The St. Andrews Cross is the flag of Scotland.

2x3 Feet Nyl-Glo St. Andrews Cross (Scotland)

Perhaps you shouldn't be flinging around the "ignorance" stone.
 
I think this whole thread (now 76 pages long) can be summed up in one sentence:

Former President Jimmy Carter believes that much of the anti-Obama rhetoric, hatred & anger has racism as its base.

Much of this entire thread is a heated rant against Mr. Carter's right to have such a belief, & nothing more.

Carter can say what he wants...as can we all. But words of consequences, and words said, in haste, or without substantiation, not only are dangerous, and can create problems where there are none...as I said in an earlier post in this thread, but can most certainly be criticized.

If Carter can have a belief and say it, others can think this belief is idiotic and say it. It works both ways.
 
Yes, an informed opinion based on the many circumstances centering on Wilson's membership in a fringe racist organization, and a nasty vote to keep flying a flag that represents racism, violence and slavery - the St. Andrews cross.

I look at Wilson and I ask myself "Has this guy ever said the word nigger in a demeaning manner, in his liftime?"

The answer...

...yes.

You don't have to like my opinion, frankly I could not give a damn.

Anyone who votes to keep flying that flag at any public office is a racist son of bitch.

Moderator's Warning:
Try derailing this thread, too, and you'll be gone quicker than you can spell flag.
 
It is time for one of DP's favorite games: Hypocrisy Check! [FONT=&quot]™[/FONT]

Is there a difference in the possibility of racism when someone tries to prevent the extradition of a former member of the SS verses if someone supports the flying of the Confederate flag.

Winning on Hypocrisy Check! [FONT=&quot]™ is never easy; lets see how many of you can.
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It is time for one of DP's favorite games: Hypocrisy Check! [FONT=&quot]™[/FONT]

Is there a difference in the possibility of racism when someone tries to prevent the extradition of a former member of the SS verses if someone supports the flying of the Confederate flag.

Winning on Hypocrisy Check! [FONT=&quot]™ is never easy; lets see how many of you can.
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The Confederate flag is a trivial issue compared to someone who is an actual SS war criminal.
 
The Confederate flag is a trivial issue compared to someone who is an actual SS war criminal.

So, someone who supports not extraditing a SS war criminal would be a racist; someone who supports flying the Confederate flag is NOT racist. Is this your position?
 
I'd have to say that neither is indicative of racism in and of itself.
 
I'd have to say that neither is indicative of racism in and of itself.

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Congratulations, Harshaw. You have won on Hypocrisy Check! [FONT=&quot]™ not an easy feat. Please explain for our viewing audience, if you would, why your statement is correct.[/FONT]
 
Mostly because there are a lot of possible motivations for doing either which have nothing to do with "racism." You may find racist intent once you dig deeper, but it's not at all a given.

(Though, of course, it raises the question . . . is anti-Semitism properly called "racism"?)
 
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Mostly because there are a lot of possible motivations for doing either which have nothing to do with "racism." You may find racist intent once you dig deeper, but it's not at all a given.

(Though, of course, it raises the question . . . is anti-Semitism properly called "racism"?)

You are correct, sir. One could be against extradition of an SS war criminal because they believe that the person would receive a more fair trial, elsewhere...or they could be against extradition in general. One could support the flying of the Confederate flag to show support for current southern states, or to support the States Rights aspect of the Civil War. Intent is very important in these scenarios, and labeling something, on the surface as racist, without digging deeper to discovering the "why" is short-sighted and could lead to an inaccurate conclusion.

Well done, Harshaw.

And as to your question, "is anti-semitism racism?" Terminology-wise it is more of a short-cut towards describing prejudicial behavior towards Jews. So the best answer would be, as short-cut terminology, yes.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Try derailing this thread, too, and you'll be gone quicker than you can spell flag.


This is not derailing the thread.

This is you pushing an emotional agenda against me.

Agent Ferris has already made many claims regarding Carter and his apparent "Nazi" sympathies.

Does he merit a warning? No.

Why?

Because you have it out for me.

For everyone's sake, I think you should click the back button and see yourself out of this thread.
 
One could support the flying of the Confederate flag to show support for current southern states...

Quite comical reasoning. But totally expected.

It's like saying its ok to fly a Nazi flag, as long as the "intent" to fly it was based on the idea that the Nazi's brought Germany together. And everyone is for togetherness.

In the real world, you don't fly the Nazi flag because its apparent what it means to fly it.

Just like it is for the Confederate flag - racism, hatred and oppression.

Most capitol buildings don't fly it anymore.

And its obvious why.
 
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Quite comical reasoning. But totally expected.

It's like saying its ok to fly a Nazi flag, as long as the "intent" to fly it was based on the idea that the Nazi's brought Germany together. And everyone is for togetherness.

Just like it is for the Confederate flag - racism, hatred and oppression.

That is a very piss poor interpretation of history.
 
I knew he was good for something other than peanuts:)
 
By the way, the first state that seceeded did so because of the election of Lincoln, precisly because he was an abolitionist.
No he wasn't, he tried to write Southern slavery into the constitution.


How can you sit there and defend a 'southern system' that claims to just be defending their freedom against the Federal government when they so malevolently denied that same freedom to slaves?
Because it is two different issues.
 
Carter can say what he wants...as can we all. But words of consequences, and words said, in haste, or without substantiation, not only are dangerous, and can create problems where there are none...as I said in an earlier post in this thread, but can most certainly be criticized.

If Carter can have a belief and say it, others can think this belief is idiotic and say it. It works both ways.

I agree that words have consequences & can cause problems, but there is no proof the Carter's words were a result of haste, nor is there a required threshold needed to be reached to have a concern. Just as words have consequences, saying nothing about a perceived major problem can also lead to terrible consequences.
A former President , one must assume, loves his country & has it's best interests at heart. So, I feel that Jimmy Carter felt it was his moral & patriotic duty to express his concerns , which I happen to agree with.......in part:

I think the major motivation against Obama's HC plan is simple greed, not racism...but...... I think that big insurance is "Pulling Out All The Stops" in their fight to keep their high profits & are deliberately using racism against this nation's first black President as one tactic in fighting HC reform. Wilson has received major financial assistance from the insurance industry, so to say that is not enough probable cause to back a reasonable concern by former President Carter..... is not credible to me.

Thus....My opinion is that greed is the major motive & racism is just one of the tactics being used.

The only ones who can say for sure what their motivations were are former President Carter & Joe Wilson. Anyone else is just guessing.
 
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Quite comical reasoning. But totally expected.

It's like saying its ok to fly a Nazi flag, as long as the "intent" to fly it was based on the idea that the Nazi's brought Germany together. And everyone is for togetherness.

In the real world, you don't fly the Nazi flag because its apparent what it means to fly it.

Just like it is for the Confederate flag - racism, hatred and oppression.

Most capitol buildings don't fly it anymore.

And its obvious why.

We are going to miss him. Now who is going to bring down the intelligence of this thread?
 
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