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House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

PogueMoran said:
So going back to the question should President Bush been impeached for lying to the public?
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The problem is that there is no law against making stupid or poorly constructed decisions and inpeachment is for high crimes and misdomeaners including treason. Lying under oath was unfortunately for the Clinton a crimelette. Bush on the other hand was fortunate that stupid or poor policy is not against the law.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
The problem is that there is no law against making stupid or poorly constructed decisions and inpeachment is for high crimes and misdomeaners including treason. Lying under oath was unfortunately for the Clinton a crimelette. Bush on the other hand was fortunate that stupid or poor policy is not against the law.
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But ......there are laws against violating the Geneva convention & authorizing the war crime of torturing prisoners & GW Bush has admitted he did just that.
The only thing missing now is the decision on which country will prosecute him & Dick Cheney & the will to actually do it..
 
PogueMoran said:
Perjury and lying under oath are not the same thing. Do you know what the three conditions of perjury are?
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There are actually four. Have you read the contempt ruling?
 
Originally Posted by PogueMoran
You jumped from Clinton to Obama but skipped an entire presidency that lied to the public. Seems like you only apply certain standards to certain presidents.
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Which presidency would that be?
 
Devil505 said:
But ......there are laws against violating the Geneva convention & authorizing the war crime of torturing prisoners & GW Bush has admitted he did just that.
The only thing missing now is the decision on which country will prosecute him & Dick Cheney & the will to actually do it..
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Proof that Mr. W Bush did these thing you say he did. Also we never violated any of the Genevea Accourds question have you actually sat down and read them, oh wait look who i'm asking this question to. hey maybe you should get a Brail copy of the Geneva Accourds not sure if they actually make a version but if they do pick it and start reading it.
 
Devil505 said:
But ......there are laws against violating the Geneva convention & authorizing the war crime of torturing prisoners & GW Bush has admitted he did just that.
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But...those laws only apply to legal combatants.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Proof that Mr. W Bush did these thing you say he did. Also we never violated any of the Genevea Accourds question have you actually sat down and read them, oh wait look who i'm asking this question to. hey maybe you should get a Brail copy of the Geneva Accourds not sure if they actually make a version but if they do pick it and start reading it.
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Try this from Fox news (& we are NOT in the basement here so keep it civil):thumbdown

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUqeZDmV2w&feature=PlayList&p=8E2A72D276546D43&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20"]YouTube - 5/8/09 Judge Napolitano on Fox: Bush is a felon for authorizing torture![/ame]
 
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Devil505 said:
But ......there are laws against violating the Geneva convention & authorizing the war crime of torturing prisoners & GW Bush has admitted he did just that.
The only thing missing now is the decision on which country will prosecute him & Dick Cheney & the will to actually do it..
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I do not think that you can make a successful case to proove that The Bush was " violating the Geneva convention & authorizing the war crime of torturing prisoners ".
 
F107HyperSabr said:
I do not think that you can make a successful case to proove that The Bush was " violating the Geneva convention & authorizing the war crime of torturing prisoners ".
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUqeZDmV2w&feature=PlayList&p=8E2A72D276546D43&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20"]YouTube - 5/8/09 Judge Napolitano on Fox: Bush is a felon for authorizing torture![/ame]

I guess we'd have to leave that decision up to a jury.
 
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apdst said:
Show me the docs from the Geneva Convention that prove me wrong, sir. Can't wait for this.
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Have you watched this FOX NEWS video? (& what's with the "sir"??...a dig?)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUqeZDmV2w&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - 5/8/09 Judge Napolitano on Fox: Bush is a felon for authorizing torture![/ame]
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
House passes resolution criticizing Wilson - CNN.com
House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

The House of Representatives on Tuesday formally admonished Republican Rep. Joe Wilson for shouting "you lie" during President Obama's speech to a joint session of Congress last week.

I do not think that this was needed but I understand why they formally admonished this sorry excuse for a Congressman. If he really did apologize as a gentleman instead of bragging that he was forced into an apology I do not think that the House would have taken this action.

Do you guys hink that this piece Congressional trash was worth the time to formally admonish ?
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If it wasn't, then b-tching about it is probably worth even less time.
 
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Damn. You people are all over the place.

So...we got "Clinton lying under oath in court," "Wilson shouting out about Obama lying," and "Bush lying?" The theme appears to be about lying. But I see another theme.

1) Clinton did indeed lie under oath. Before this he committed adultery. I realize that this is "OK" in today's America, but in the military this is an offense to good discipline, order, and morality. It is court martiable. People dismiss this because he was not in the military and "Commander-in-Chief" is a civilian position created for oversight of the military. However, the first "Commander-in-Chief" was George Washington. He was a general and this billet meant that he could take charge of the military as needed during war. The men this billet was meant for were supposed to share the military man's burden of setting the example. Today's presidents neither serve nor do they understand their military but they sure are quick to pretend the part. And as far as setting the example?

2) Wilson did indeed cry out "you lie" to an American President. Our politicians are supposed to be above the rabble those who traveled on the Mayflower sought to escape. In parts of Asia it is common to see a politician take a physical swing at another to display his protest. In many nations across the globe it is common to see rival politicians boo, hiss, and insult their fellow leaders. If Wilson is incapable of controlling his teenage girl like emotions then maybe he should be ran out of Washington tied to a stick tarred and feathered like the idiots of old. But let's not play partisan slavery politics here. Wilson merely verbally represents the body language of those Democrats who disrespected Bush for the last 8 years.

3) And Bush lying? To who? Did he sit in a dark room developing up the WMD scare of Iraq? Was it true when Republicans accused Clinton of merely looking for poll results when he bombed out Iraq not once, twice, but three times in an effort to rid him of possible WMD? Some try to have this both ways. But let's not mince words. Since there was no proof that WMD no longer existed (Hussein shaped his own noose on this one) or proof that WMD definately still existed, Bush used the possibility of WMD to kick the door in. I like to think that the last twelve years of dictator babysitting that led to one of Osama Bin Laden's excuses for 9/11 meant that it was time to start acting like the America we preach about, but I realize that some are far more comfortable merely preachiung and looking away. But personally, I would have sold the mission in Iraq to the people with far better success. I surely wouldn;t have placed my enduring trust in a man like Rumsfeld who had never served in the military yet behaved as if he knew better than even our generals who had studied this region for the entirity of our UN mission over Iraq. And since I would have sold Iraq far better and more practical terms, I surely wouldn't have found myself switching lanes from year to year and denying the military what they needed for a quicker and far less deadlier end game.


So what do we have here that is in common? Lies? Hardly. Politicians frequently lie either for the greater good of a nation or for personal reasons - even out of stupidity. But what binds Washington's politicians together is their complete lack of integrity. Our politicians lie under oath (Clinton) and cheat on their wives (our first lady if that even matters anymore), give success to Iran (Pelosi) as our men bleed and earn it, deny military experience from having a voice (Rumsfeld), yell out insults to our President in what used to be a prestigious environment (Wilson), etc. The examples are literally too numerous to even pay attention to anymore, which is pathetic.

These are the leaders of our country. And people sit and bicker over whether or not moral depravity and poor decision making only matters when it comes to the other's "guy." Maybe the problem isn't our politicians. Maybe it's the typical jackass American anymore. From what I see in America these days, our preople deserve the leaders they have.
 
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What is really criminal is these retards waste time and our money on a useless resolution when they should be doing important things like running our country.
 
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