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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

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    No, he voted to give them E-M-E-R-G-E-N-C-Y healthcare, not healthcare insurance. The man is humanitary, not a fool.
    Oh so he's for paying more money in emergency coverage than some non-existent plan to give illegals healthcare coverage gotcha makes so much more sense now

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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

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    Yes I have read Judge Wright's ruling and never once did she mention perjur or perjury in her ruling. Also the whole lewinsky fair was thrown out of the Jones case for not being material to the case and the case was dismissed. So again when Clinton lied during that case about "sexual relations" it was using the prosecution's established definition of sexual relations that were agreed upon by both sides. So they got Clinton on an lie that was immaterial to the jones case.

    Perjury has three conditions: it must be a lie, the speaker must know it to be false, and it must be material to the case. The lewinsky affair no matter how salacious it was was not deemed material to the jones case. It is why they couldn't charge clinton with perjury.
    There's a fourth -- it must be under oath.

    Yes, in the ruling, she said his intent was to "obstruct justice," which is hard to do if it's not material.

    Still, materiality is a matter for a jury, and no, it was never charged.

    But if you want to hang on a legal technicality, then so be it.
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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There's a fourth -- it must be under oath.

    Yes, in the ruling, she said his intent was to "obstruct justice," which is hard to do if it's not material.

    Still, materiality is a matter for a jury, and no, it was never charged.

    But if you want to hang on a legal technicality, then so be it.
    It's not a technicality it didn't fit the legal definition. Apparently it wasn't material as the Jones information was deemed by wright to be immaterial to the case and the Jones case was dismissed. If he committed perjury the judge would have stated such.

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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    It's not a technicality it didn't fit the legal definition. Apparently it wasn't material as the Jones information was deemed by wright to be immaterial to the case and the Jones case was dismissed. If he committed perjury the judge would have stated such.
    Such a ruling would not be within the scope of a contempt finding. It would have to be a matter for trial.
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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Such a ruling would not be within the scope of a contempt finding. It would have to be a matter for trial.
    So then he didn't commit perjury. Once again being as the lewinsky affair was deemed immaterial to the case his lie was a lie under oath and not perjury. The lie under oath was what got him the contempt.

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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    So then he didn't commit perjury. Once again being as the lewinsky affair was deemed immaterial to the case his lie was a lie under oath and not perjury. The lie under oath was what got him the contempt.
    As I say, that would have been a matter for trial.
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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    As I say, that would have been a matter for trial.
    if Judge Wright thought he committed perjury there would have been action taken. Even with it being a civil case. Once again there was no perjury contrary to what people have claimed.

    Don't you think there's a reason there's no mention of perjury in her contempt citation
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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Don't you think there's a reason there's no mention of perjury in her contempt citation
    I already told you -- it's outside the scope of a contempt ruling.
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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Don't you think there's a reason there's no mention of perjury in her contempt citation
    I already told you -- it's outside the scope of a contempt ruling.
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    Re: House passes resolution criticizing Wilson

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Oh so he's for paying more money in emergency coverage than some non-existent plan to give illegals healthcare coverage gotcha makes so much more sense now
    Who will vote to deny emergency treatment? Hmmmm, you?
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