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Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

apdst said:
I knew it had to be some unfounded accusation by Leahy. I wonder if Leahy stll thinks that the IRaq oilfields could have been fixed with a 32-piece socket set from Sears.
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Why don't ya link it?
 
apdst said:
No, he told one guy in paticular, "**** you". If I remember right, it was one of the Democrats that called Bush a Nazi, or murderer, or something.
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A Democrat called Bush a nazi? How outrageous!
 
dragondad said:
Better get your smeller checked.

There isn't a liberal on these boards or in Congress that agrees with him.

Unlike right wingers we have principles.

We don't praise the coup in Honduras and while at the same time rightly criticizing Iranians for anti-democratic measures.

We don't support illegal torture and complain about "illegal" aliens.

We don't defend Bush taking the habeus corpus rights of prisoners away, then get all hysterical with tall tales of "FEMA camps".
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Liberal principles, yeah like the liberal mainstream media - they won't report any legitimate news story that doesn't fit their liberal agenda. Tell us about hypocrisy! This is a little off subject on this thread, but you brought it up. You had better check out the Honduran constitution and get your facts straight. It's not a coup when their political leaders follow the rules of their constitution. Zelaya was in violation of their constitution... and apparently they value theirs more than Washington politicians do ours!

In typical liberal fashion, you attempt to demonize America by applying the same privileges as law-abiding US citizens deserve to terrorists, prisoners of war, and illegal aliens.
 
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This is the first time that I've seen a significant complaint about Obama from you liberals. Perhaps, now even you are beginning to get scared.
 
rebelbuc said:
This is the first time that I've seen a significant complaint about Obama from you liberals. Perhaps, now even you are beginning to get scared.
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On the contrary, many of us see the new administration to be Bush V3 in many ways, and find it humorous that so many on the right are as scared as they are....
 
Midwest Lib said:
On the contrary, many of us see the new administration to be Bush V3 in many ways, and find it humorous that so many on the right are as scared as they are....
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I called Obama Bush III for some time now, I'm not surprised by his actions in the least; I said he'd do as much before the elections.
 
Ikari said:
I called Obama Bush III for some time now, I'm not surprised by his actions in the least; I said he'd do as much before the elections.
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That's why partisan politics is so absurd. All the faux concern and outrage has simply just switched sides when really policy is very similar and save for a few policy difference, business has been as usual. I like some of the things Bush and Obama have done, as well as dislike many things both have done, but to say they are two extremes as many do is pretty silly.
 
Zyphlin said:
Really? I just smell hypocracy.

Wasn't it said Bush was protecting us and caring about the well being of America by supporting the Patriot Act and he should be respected for that?

Yet all I see is those on the right immedietely jumping to attack "lefties" without daring to actually acknowledge the President they dislike so much just did something that "was protecting us and caring about the well being of America".

Seriously, cries of hypocracy when you're not acting somewhat hypocritical yourself is a bit disingenuous.
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Once again you get it all wrong; but hardly surprising in your desperation and selective outrage of Conservative Hypocrisy, not to mention hyper partisanship.

No one is attacking Obama for protecting the American people. They are pointing out what a liar the man is much like Clinton. It appears that lying is a Democrat Presidential requirement.

You need to look up the definition of hypocrite before you run around like “chicken little” constantly railing about "hyper partisans" and "right wing hypocrites."

Carry on. :doh
 
Objective Voice said:
I see nothing wrong with the President wanting to retain those three provisions to the Patriot Act.

The "lone-wolf" aspect is a good one. I believe the intent here is to focus on "splinter cells" that act alone. And as we've come to learn over the years, as far as terrorist groups are concerned a "cell" could be just one person acting alone.

The provision for looking over business records is also necessary in order to catch those terrorist groups that function under the disguise as a legitimate business entity OR a charity.

I can even accept the roving cellphone provision since it's so easy not only for a terrorist to use an untraceable pre-paid cell phone but also to simply switch cell phone plans. What a $175 early termination fee to a terrorist organization that heavily finances in the millions?

Good provisions to maintain and rightly so, IMO.
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Yet that wasn't the point of the OP was it? I thought it was pointing out how Liberals like Obama feigned outrage at the provisions under the "evil" Bushman and falsley claimed he would end them.

Can't say I am surprised that you and Zyph still don't get it.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro said:
And so it seems it is Obama who has become George Bush's third term.
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This is quite laughable but hardly surprising. I am always amused when the Bush haters attempt to suggest that this Administration is anything like the last one.

Of course you are free to attempt to illustrate this using substance and facts; it would be fun to watch you attempt to do this. :cool:
 
dragondad said:
Unlike right wingers we have principles.

We don't praise the coup in Honduras and while at the same time rightly criticizing Iranians for anti-democratic measures.

We don't support illegal torture and complain about "illegal" aliens.

We don't defend Bush taking the habeus corpus rights of prisoners away, then get all hysterical with tall tales of "FEMA camps".
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OMG, stop it already! You are making me laugh from your hyper partisan hyperbolic rant lacking in honesty and facts here. :rofl
 
Truth Detector said:
No one is attacking Obama for protecting the American people. They are pointing out what a liar the man is much like "insert any politician's name". It appears that lying is a {omit political party} Presidential requirement.
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Fixed it for ya :2wave:
 
winston53660 said:
Read dragondad's post to get a clearer view.

I did a quick google and pretty much all the reportage says the same thing.
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Your comments were this:

winston53660 said:
Wasn't it Cheney that told people to F off?
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They don't square with the facts. By the way, what the hell does this have to do with the lies, distortions and hyperbole being spewed by this President?
 
Obama voted for the renewal of the Patriot Act as a senator. Did he not?
 
I don't think Obama has ever claimed to be liberal as some people think he is. In fact, in 'The Audacity of Hope' he clearly states that, whilst he finds liberal thought more in tune with logic, he refuses to discard his conversative values.

Still, I don't agree with The Patriot Act period. Unconstitional.
 
Richard Nixon said:
I don't think Obama has ever claimed to be liberal as some people think he is. In fact, in 'The Audacity of Hope' he clearly states that, whilst he finds liberal thought more in tune with logic, he refuses to discard his conversative values.

Still, I don't agree with The Patriot Act period. Unconstitional.
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I have to laugh hysterically at "he refuses to discard his conservative values."

Good lord, what bizzarro definition of Conservative values would one have to have to claim that Obama has any? :rofl
 
He likes to conserve things he associates with American values. I don't even think most so-called conservatives really know what conservatism is anymore. Todays Republicans are a damn-sight shy of classical conservatism.
 
Richard Nixon said:
He likes to conserve things he associates with American values. I don't even think most so-called conservatives really know what conservatism is anymore. Todays Republicans are a damn-sight shy of classical conservatism.
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Why don't you educate us on what YOU think it is and I will then share what I think it is.

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In the American sense I'd say it was the conservation of the principles and points set out in your constitution and the values that made your country great. In that vein, too, I believe a conservative believes in the small government laid out by the founding fathers. Those are a few. I don't consider the patriot act a particularly 'conservative' thing.

I never said Obama was a conservative, either, only that he has certain conservative principles.
 
Richard Nixon said:
In the American sense I'd say it was the conservation of the principles and points set out in your constitution and the values that made your country great. In that vein, too, I believe a conservative believes in the small government laid out by the founding fathers. Those are a few. I don't consider the patriot act a particularly 'conservative' thing.

I never said Obama was a conservative, either, only that he has certain conservative principles.
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It's true, conservatives used to believe in small, restricted, and responsible government. However, true conservatives these days are far and few between. Many have morphed into a neo-conservative movement which heralds big government, big interventionist policies, big spending, big deficit, big brother politics. Though some are delusional enough to continue to claim adherence to the conservatism of times past.
 
Richard Nixon said:
In the American sense I'd say it was the conservation of the principles and points set out in your constitution and the values that made your country great. In that vein, too, I believe a conservative believes in the small government laid out by the founding fathers. Those are a few. I don't consider the patriot act a particularly 'conservative' thing.

I never said Obama was a conservative, either, only that he has certain conservative principles.
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Your bolded remarks hit close to the mark in my opinion. My view is this:

A movement emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity.

A theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition and the self-regulating market.

A political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties specifically such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)

The amusing part is that this is a definition you will find in dictionaries for "Liberalism."
 
Ikari said:
It's true, conservatives used to believe in small, restricted, and responsible government. However, true conservatives these days are far and few between. Many have morphed into a neo-conservative movement which heralds big government, big interventionist policies, big spending, big deficit, big brother politics. Though some are delusional enough to continue to claim adherence to the conservatism of times past.
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None of this is factual; again what we have here is your distorted perceptions of a party based on your myopic views and biases.

This is in no way an attempt to defend the Republican Party, but rather to highlight that your attempts to distort what Conservatism means in a vacuum of the facts and history of the movement.

Again, farcically claiming that Republican have become "evil" Neocons led by Bush and Cheney and who believed in BIG Government in a vacuum of the events of 9-11, New Orleans and fighting two wars voted for by vast majorities in BOTH houses of Congress requires willful denial or an outright suspension of disbelief.

Your incessant efforts to engage into uninformed hyperbolic rhetoric in a vacuum of these facts and realities are noted however. :roll:

Just once I would like you to post a credible link with a credible definition of "Neocon" and share a credible factual link to Bush and Cheney espousing these fantastical claims.

But alas you won’t because none exist; it is merely a figment of this warped perception that persists with you and compels you to post such blather. How old are you again? You posy like someone who is in their 20’s and get most their information from blog sites that contain little in the way of facts and a lot of conspiracy theory.
 
"blah blah blah as per usual the only way I can defend against the claims is through insult and deflection"

You don't have to post anymore, we all get the essence of your posts. We can make a bot to do it, not hard.
 
Ikari said:
"blah blah blah as per usual the only way I can defend against the claims is through insult and deflection"

You don't have to post anymore, we all get the essence of your posts. We can make a bot to do it, not hard.
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In other words, you have nothing of substance to support your hysterical assertions and instead perfer to whine about "perceived" personal insults.

Let's face it; most are becoming immune from your whiney outbursts and simplistic attempts to paint all political philosophies with the same broad brush while standing for pretty much what amounts to nothing more than a whiney nay sayer.

What I find typically amusing about your diatribes is that most of your angst is directed towards Conservatives rather than Liberals and can never be supported by any credible facts.

:2wave:
 
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