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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If that's the case the the US and China should not be on friendly terms at all. That place is terrible, Commie governments always are. Yet all sorts of people have buddied up to China.
    Obviously, there are no absolutes. However, with that being the case, it begs the question why diplomatic courtesies are extended to people like Chavez, Ortega and Ahamdinejad, yet Roberto Micheletti of Honduras has been refused a visa. Doesn't make a lick-a-sense, does it?
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those nations are all ruled by dictators. Let common sense prevail for a moment and ask why anyone care if those nations disagreed with our policies. Their disagreement should be considered a positive reaction. PBO's government has given visas to the worst dictators in our time, yet refused a visa for a legal and lawful president of a democratically governed nation. There's something very wrong with that picture.
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    Obviously, there are no absolutes. However, with that being the case, it begs the question why diplomatic courtesies are extended to people like Chavez, Ortega and Ahamdinejad, yet Roberto Micheletti of Honduras has been refused a visa. Doesn't make a lick-a-sense, does it?
    Obama gave visas to Chavez, Ortega and Ahmadinejad?

    Funny, cause I could have sworn that when I saw our buddy Mahmoud, Obama hadn't yet been elected
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Obama gave visas to Chavez, Ortega and Ahmadinejad?

    Funny, cause I could have sworn that when I saw our buddy Mahmoud, Obama hadn't yet been elected
    Chavez, Ortega, Gaddafi and Ahamdinejad are coming to speak at the UN next week. Micheletti was denied an entry visa into the United States.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Chavez, Ortega, Gaddafi and Ahamdinejad are coming to speak at the UN next week. Micheletti was denied an entry visa into the United States.
    And they all did the same thing under Bush.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And they all did the same thing under Bush.
    Bush denied the president of Honduras a visa? Got a link for that?
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bush denied the president of Honduras a visa? Got a link for that?
    No, Bush allowed all of those other people in the country. The decision to deny this other guy a visa is a one off that has no comparison to the Bush era.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, Bush allowed all of those other people in the country. The decision to deny this other guy a visa is a one off that has no comparison to the Bush era.
    I know it doesn't, which makes me wonder why you drug, "but, Bush did it", out of the closet.

    The point is, of all the dudes coming to the UN, the government denied a visa to the only one that isn't a dictator.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I know it doesn't, which makes me wonder why you drug, "but, Bush did it", out of the closet.

    The point is, of all the dudes coming to the UN, the government denied a visa to the only one that isn't a dictator.
    With demonstrations for[16] and against[17] Micheletti, international support for the Micheletti government remains scant. No foreign governments have recognized him as the president of Honduras; 192 countries from the U.N. and all countries from the OAS (Organization of American States) demanded to immediately re-instate Zelaya to finish his term without any conditions.
    I guarantee you that Bush would have done the same thing.

    I still don't see how that proves that Obama hates America while Bush loved it despite the fact that their policies largely mirror one another. Unless you're arguing that the true test of whether you love America is whether you grant a visa to some Honduran leader who is not recognized as a president by any country on earth.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    These aspects of the PA were good policy under Bush, and remain good policy under Obama. Good for him.
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I guarantee you that Bush would have done the same thing.
    Bush would have denied a visa to the only democratically appointed national leader of the group that wasn't a dictator? You're going to have to support that one with some sorta documentation.

    some Honduran leader who is not recognized as a president by any country on earth.
    That only goes to show how stupidity can takeover the world.
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