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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    I don't think Obama has ever claimed to be liberal as some people think he is. In fact, in 'The Audacity of Hope' he clearly states that, whilst he finds liberal thought more in tune with logic, he refuses to discard his conversative values.

    Still, I don't agree with The Patriot Act period. Unconstitional.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    I don't think Obama has ever claimed to be liberal as some people think he is. In fact, in 'The Audacity of Hope' he clearly states that, whilst he finds liberal thought more in tune with logic, he refuses to discard his conversative values.

    Still, I don't agree with The Patriot Act period. Unconstitional.
    I have to laugh hysterically at "he refuses to discard his conservative values."

    Good lord, what bizzarro definition of Conservative values would one have to have to claim that Obama has any?

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    He likes to conserve things he associates with American values. I don't even think most so-called conservatives really know what conservatism is anymore. Todays Republicans are a damn-sight shy of classical conservatism.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    He likes to conserve things he associates with American values. I don't even think most so-called conservatives really know what conservatism is anymore. Todays Republicans are a damn-sight shy of classical conservatism.
    Why don't you educate us on what YOU think it is and I will then share what I think it is.


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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    In the American sense I'd say it was the conservation of the principles and points set out in your constitution and the values that made your country great. In that vein, too, I believe a conservative believes in the small government laid out by the founding fathers. Those are a few. I don't consider the patriot act a particularly 'conservative' thing.

    I never said Obama was a conservative, either, only that he has certain conservative principles.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    In the American sense I'd say it was the conservation of the principles and points set out in your constitution and the values that made your country great. In that vein, too, I believe a conservative believes in the small government laid out by the founding fathers. Those are a few. I don't consider the patriot act a particularly 'conservative' thing.

    I never said Obama was a conservative, either, only that he has certain conservative principles.
    It's true, conservatives used to believe in small, restricted, and responsible government. However, true conservatives these days are far and few between. Many have morphed into a neo-conservative movement which heralds big government, big interventionist policies, big spending, big deficit, big brother politics. Though some are delusional enough to continue to claim adherence to the conservatism of times past.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    In the American sense I'd say it was the conservation of the principles and points set out in your constitution and the values that made your country great. In that vein, too, I believe a conservative believes in the small government laid out by the founding fathers. Those are a few. I don't consider the patriot act a particularly 'conservative' thing.

    I never said Obama was a conservative, either, only that he has certain conservative principles.
    Your bolded remarks hit close to the mark in my opinion. My view is this:

    A movement emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity.

    A theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition and the self-regulating market.

    A political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties specifically such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)


    The amusing part is that this is a definition you will find in dictionaries for "Liberalism."

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's true, conservatives used to believe in small, restricted, and responsible government. However, true conservatives these days are far and few between. Many have morphed into a neo-conservative movement which heralds big government, big interventionist policies, big spending, big deficit, big brother politics. Though some are delusional enough to continue to claim adherence to the conservatism of times past.
    None of this is factual; again what we have here is your distorted perceptions of a party based on your myopic views and biases.

    This is in no way an attempt to defend the Republican Party, but rather to highlight that your attempts to distort what Conservatism means in a vacuum of the facts and history of the movement.

    Again, farcically claiming that Republican have become "evil" Neocons led by Bush and Cheney and who believed in BIG Government in a vacuum of the events of 9-11, New Orleans and fighting two wars voted for by vast majorities in BOTH houses of Congress requires willful denial or an outright suspension of disbelief.

    Your incessant efforts to engage into uninformed hyperbolic rhetoric in a vacuum of these facts and realities are noted however.

    Just once I would like you to post a credible link with a credible definition of "Neocon" and share a credible factual link to Bush and Cheney espousing these fantastical claims.

    But alas you wont because none exist; it is merely a figment of this warped perception that persists with you and compels you to post such blather. How old are you again? You posy like someone who is in their 20s and get most their information from blog sites that contain little in the way of facts and a lot of conspiracy theory.

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    "blah blah blah as per usual the only way I can defend against the claims is through insult and deflection"

    You don't have to post anymore, we all get the essence of your posts. We can make a bot to do it, not hard.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    "blah blah blah as per usual the only way I can defend against the claims is through insult and deflection"

    You don't have to post anymore, we all get the essence of your posts. We can make a bot to do it, not hard.
    In other words, you have nothing of substance to support your hysterical assertions and instead perfer to whine about "perceived" personal insults.

    Let's face it; most are becoming immune from your whiney outbursts and simplistic attempts to paint all political philosophies with the same broad brush while standing for pretty much what amounts to nothing more than a whiney nay sayer.

    What I find typically amusing about your diatribes is that most of your angst is directed towards Conservatives rather than Liberals and can never be supported by any credible facts.


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