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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    I see nothing wrong with the President wanting to retain those three provisions to the Patriot Act.

    The "lone-wolf" aspect is a good one. I believe the intent here is to focus on "splinter cells" that act alone. And as we've come to learn over the years, as far as terrorist groups are concerned a "cell" could be just one person acting alone.

    The provision for looking over business records is also necessary in order to catch those terrorist groups that function under the disguise as a legitimate business entity OR a charity.

    I can even accept the roving cellphone provision since it's so easy not only for a terrorist to use an untraceable pre-paid cell phone but also to simply switch cell phone plans. What a $175 early termination fee to a terrorist organization that heavily finances in the millions?

    Good provisions to maintain and rightly so, IMO.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Looking at the 3 provisions.

    1) "Roving Wiretaps": Requires that only a single warrant is needed in order to tap all a persons device. I consider this worth renewing, as people tend to own a multitude of electronic devices today. I don't see how tapping multiple devices is any more intrusive than one.

    2) Obtaining Business records, including medical, financial and library: This one is a little less clear. Library and Medical records should not be collected, as they are purely circumstantial. I see a higher chance for abuse than providing useful data. Financial data and business records are okay, but only with a strict chain of custody, including a deletion of all records as soon as possible.

    3) "The lone wolf " provision which allows for electronic wiretapping even without showing that the person has ties to an international organization. Never been used, but claimed to be useful. This part is utterly unacceptable. It allows for the targeting of random people without any evidence they are part of a terrorist organization. Its potential for abuse is staggering. If someone is a lone wolf, than FISA has no business being involved. It isn't called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act for nothing.

    I am not thrilled with Obama pushing all 3 provisions, especially the "lone wolf" one. However, I doubt McCain would have provided a better alternative is this area, so there wasn't much to be done. Chalk it up to another "2 parties no choices" event.

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    obama said he was against renewing any part of the patriot act? i didn't realize that.

    btw, no spin here, library records should be private. obama's wrong.
    The problem is at least one of the things listed there, the Roving Wiretaps, was one of the prime portions of the Patriot Act that groups like the ACLU and many liberal organizations were trumpeting as dangerous and a reason the bill must be killed.

    I would find it odd to see left leaning moderates or straight out left leaning people coming out and saying this is fine and good when it includes one of the issues with the Patriot Act which was at the forefront of controversy.

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Obama supporting more police powers????!!!! Im shocked! In related news the Sky is Blue
    And so it seems it is Obama who has become George Bush's third term.

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Nope, I think it's crap. I know you righties think we liberals find him flawless, but it was never the case. This I do not like, but I did not expect to like everything he did.







    I find this situation most displeasing.......



    How come I never heard this civility from many on the left when it was the other guy.....
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    This is where I and many on the left differ greatly with Obama. However, this is no surprise. Despite attempts from the right to characterize Obama as "liberal", the reality is, on many issues such as this, Obama is anything but "far left".

    I had hopes that Obama would prove me wrong, but if this is true, it doesn't come as a surprise, just a dissapointment.
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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post



    I find this situation most displeasing.......



    How come I never heard this civility from many on the left when it was the other guy.....
    For the same reason those on the left don't hear this form of civility from those on the right now. I don't agree with the patriot act now or when it was established, but the reason you didn't hear this civility then is simple....Partisan bias

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wasn't Bush called a fascist and nazi over the Patriot Act? I smell hypocracy from the left again.

    Better get your smeller checked.

    There isn't a liberal on these boards or in Congress that agrees with him.

    Unlike right wingers we have principles.

    We don't praise the coup in Honduras and while at the same time rightly criticizing Iranians for anti-democratic measures.

    We don't support illegal torture and complain about "illegal" aliens.

    We don't defend Bush taking the habeus corpus rights of prisoners away, then get all hysterical with tall tales of "FEMA camps".

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post



    I find this situation most displeasing.......



    How come I never heard this civility from many on the left when it was the other guy.....
    I'm sure you already know why...
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post



    I find this situation most displeasing.......



    How come I never heard this civility from many on the left when it was the other guy.....
    Wasn't it Cheney that told people to F off?

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