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Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

PeteEU said:
I find it amazing that these people did not protest at all during the Bush administration......
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I find it amazing the amount of ignorance our foreign contingent posts in regards to this. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I find it amazing the amount of ignorance our foreign contingent posts in regards to this. :shrug:
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Oh, tell me then.. where were the masses of right wing protesters descending on Washington during the Bush years protesting the massive debt he was pushing on the country? And dont use the excuse that this was a "healthcare" protest because everyone knows that it was only part of the issue that these people were protesting...
 
Ethereal said:
Yea, anyone who opposes your messiah must be a wing-nut. By the way, you’re no moderate…cease the charade.
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Jumping on the bandwagon I see. I would bring you up to speed on why I chose that back in 2006 but haven't changed it since my recent return, but something tells me you are more interested in making off-topic comments about me personally than offering any form of debate about the rally everyone else seems to be posting about.

I'm really not interested in your off-topic opinion of my POV.
 
PeteEU said:
I find it amazing that these people did not protest at all during the Bush administration......
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That's because you're not an American. You wouldn't understand.
 
PeteEU said:
Oh, tell me then.. where were the masses of right wing protesters descending on Washington during the Bush years protesting the massive debt he was pushing on the country? And dont use the excuse that this was a "healthcare" protest because everyone knows that it was only part of the issue that these people were protesting...
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Stop crying, it's very unbecoming.
 
PeteEU said:
Oh, tell me then.. where were the masses of right wing protesters descending on Washington during the Bush years protesting the massive debt he was pushing on the country? And dont use the excuse that this was a "healthcare" protest because everyone knows that it was only part of the issue that these people were protesting...
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It's not just a health care protest. It's an every-socialist-freedom-stealing-right-violating-job-killing-piece-a-crap-legistlation-they-are-passing protest.

Th reason people didn't protest Bush like this, is because Bush wasn't systematically dismantling our freedoms. The worst thing that Bush ever did was pass a bill that allowed him to listen in on a few suspicious, foreign phone calls without having to get a FISA warrant. That's nothing compared to what these clowns are trying to pull.
 
Dix said:
It looked like a huge turnout to me. Especially when you consider that many of those folks aren't the type who usually march in protests. I think that's really saying something. My FIL, who is in his 60's, went and that's the first time he's ever been motivated to participate in something like that.
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Thank you, that is the point I was trying to make. This was a more amateur protest in nature.
 
I just came from the NPS website and couldn't find anything in their news releases about the attendees of the tea party or that it existed for that matter. (hmmmm, scrubbed by Axelrod?) Anyway, here's a report from the Charlotte Examiner.

I have heard reports up to 2M. If you look at this pic you will see more than 10s of K. More like 100s of K. Make your own judgement. Certainly not 60K.
 
The anger began when Bush said we needed to bailout Wall Street. People were furious. But before that they weren't angry enough to start a massive grassroots movement.

Then Obama made it clear that we were going to spend a bunch more on the bailout and people became crazy mad.

If Bush were still president right now I feel the anger would be there and people would be protesting. Bush still has a fan base but I don't figure the teaparty folks to be part of it at all. Not at all.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Thank you, that is the point I was trying to make. This was a more amateur protest in nature.
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That is simply not true. It is just an assertion you are making. From the media reports I recall about the anti-war protests, most had never attended a protest before. Same as the people yesterday.


The people who attended the marches you cited were no more professional activists, or members of an organization, or 'cajoled' into attending than were yesterday's attendees.

It just happens to be that more people attended the marches you cited than attended Saturday's Tea Party. So, you are diminishing them by saying, they are not grassroots. It's simply not true.


Delegitimizing broad-based political opposition is an old tactic. Some people, like Marc Cooper, do it because they're elitists who don't trust the grassroots with something so powerful as opinions of their own. And others, like Krugman, Milbank, Limbaugh and Horowitz, are cynical political apparatchiks, who attempt to strip legitimacy from any movement that doesn't support their own ideas. They're especially aggressive in their tactics when defending a status quo that represents their own ideology.

... Whether or not you agree with the sentiments expressed by the participants, yesterday's tea parties were just as legitimate and grassroots as last year's anti-war protests. They may be right, or they may be wrong, but they're real.

Were the tea parties (and anti-war demonstrations) signs of grassroots protest?
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I find it amazing how angry people get over people protesting government expansion.
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My only problem with it is that I think people should have been doing this a long time ago.
 
Harshaw said:
They do when the point is about how many people turned out. :roll:
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Pro-government points of view are always at an advantage when in comes to getting butts out on the streets, because they pander to the people whose opinion is easiest to buy - the unthinking mob. Pro-freedom people tend to have jobs 'n families 'n stuff, they can't drop all that to be a part of some collectivist demonstration which in reality doesn't change a thing!

"Let them march all they want, as long as they pay their taxes."

I've never been to a demonstration before, but I'm there in spirit, both ones protesting Bush's socialism and Obama's!
 
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tumbleweed said:
I don't think much about it at all really, other than regarding their agenda as being on the same level as the teabaggers. Both groups seem to have too many wingnuts involved in their activities to be taken seriously enough to actually have an impact on government policies.

From what I can see it makes for a good photo-op and extra work for the grounds crew, but I doubt it represents much more than a flock of sheep doing the bidding of organized special interest groups like ALL.
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Tell us what you thought of the "Million Mom March".
 
apdst said:
That's because you're not an American. You wouldn't understand.
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LOL what a crock. I fully understand what is going on.

When they had the power, then it was no problem running up massive debts. They had no problems with the Patriot Act and that their people spied on them. Or creating a massive bureaucratic institution as Homeland Security.

But now that they are not in power, then they suddenly see everything the "other side" is doing as a threat to them. So now they are coming out of the woodwork and starting to protest. Now it is important for fiscal responsibility, now that the ship is sinking, now it is important for personal rights and liberty, and now it is important for certain "values".

I ask again, where were these people when the Bush administration doubled the debt of the US? Or established a bloated bureaucratic organisation like Homeland Security? Or spied on its own people without warrants?... oh yea I know where they were.. defending the administration tooth and nail.

Or could it be, that these people are like many US conservatives, a bunch of hypocrites that cant stand that a black man from the Democratic party is stilling in the White House instead of the usual old white man they are so accustomed too?

Yes the truth hurts, and no amount of "you dont understand, you are not American" crap will change the truth.
 
Pete once again exposing himself as ignorant.


When the bailouts were announced by Bush, these same people were upset about it. I sure was.
 
PeteEU said:
When they had the power, then it was no problem running up massive debts.... But now that they are not in power, then they suddenly see everything the "other side" is doing as a threat to them.
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You know that you're describing the Democrats, 2001-2009 - right?
 
PeteEU said:
When they had the power, then it was no problem running up massive debts. They had no problems with the Patriot Act and that their people spied on them. Or creating a massive bureaucratic institution as Homeland Security.
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I had a problem with that. I think some people were trying to pretend. Some of what is happening within the People is political, some are doing it because it's Obama. Of course in press and government, it's always political. But I don't think that it's all political on the People's front. People sat through Bush, some tried to defend, and they see Obama now continuing where Bush left off and I think a good number finally got frustrated. Don't know what took them so damned long. And you're starting to see that frustration now. About damned time, this thing needs to boil. The People must make their dissatisfaction with the government well known.
 
sazerac said:
The anger began when Bush said we needed to bailout Wall Street. People were furious. But before that they weren't angry enough to start a massive grassroots movement.

Then Obama made it clear that we were going to spend a bunch more on the bailout and people became crazy mad.

If Bush were still president right now I feel the anger would be there and people would be protesting. Bush still has a fan base but I don't figure the teaparty folks to be part of it at all. Not at all.
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Good points! And if Bush would have been installing 30 czars, many with radical anti-American leanings, assisting a group of crooked community organizers (ACORN for you slow readers) to screw up the census, and taking control of the auto industry, and taking control of the health care industry, and proposing massive energy taxes that will skyrocket electric rates (and more likely cause energy shortages, IMO), then, hell yeah! I would have supported such a protest!. He didn't do any of that stuff and he was a lame duck about to leave office when he passed the Democrat-supported (including Obama) first massive, misguided spending bill! Hell, Democrats musn't be too concerned about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan - I haven't seen any anti-war attacks against the president since Obama took over!
 
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LowRevs said:
I just came from the NPS website and couldn't find anything in their news releases about the attendees of the tea party or that it existed for that matter. (hmmmm, scrubbed by Axelrod?) Anyway, here's a report from the Charlotte Examiner.

I have heard reports up to 2M. If you look at this pic you will see more than 10s of K. More like 100s of K. Make your own judgement. Certainly not 60K.
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the charlotte examiner! you have to be kidding
tens of dozens became 2 million to you?
there were more people at the south carolina vs georgia football game (92,000) than attended the teabagging ceremonies (70,000)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Pete once again exposing himself as ignorant.


When the bailouts were announced by Bush, these same people were upset about it. I sure was.
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Dude.. the debt was already almost double by the time the bailouts happened....
 
Goobieman said:
You know that you're describing the Democrats, 2001-2009 - right?
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I am.. damn I must have missed that memo of who ran the country from 2000 to 2006 ... and who was in the White House from 2000 to 2008
 
PeteEU said:
Dude.. the debt was already almost double by the time the bailouts happened....
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So what? Why are you excusing your side, because of what you percieve of the other?


It's an intellectually weak and pathetic, but typical argument from you.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So what? Why are you excusing your side, because of what you percieve of the other?


It's an intellectually weak and pathetic, but typical argument from you.
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LOL I aint excusing anyone, just pointing out your sides hypocrisy on the issue. What is intellectually weak and pathetic is your sides sudden "outrage" over massive debt and other issues...

Again, where were they when Bush took the debt from 5.6 trillion to almost 9 trillion in 2007 and almost 10 trillion before he left office... where were the 10s of thousands protesting this in Washington?...
 
Ikari said:
I had a problem with that. I think some people were trying to pretend. Some of what is happening within the People is political, some are doing it because it's Obama. Of course in press and government, it's always political. But I don't think that it's all political on the People's front. People sat through Bush, some tried to defend, and they see Obama now continuing where Bush left off and I think a good number finally got frustrated. Don't know what took them so damned long. And you're starting to see that frustration now. About damned time, this thing needs to boil. The People must make their dissatisfaction with the government well known.
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Exactly.. well some what.. The difference is not frustration, but the fact that it is not one of their own in the position of power doing it.. hence the hypocrisy. If they were true "conservatives" then they would have been screaming bloody murder during the Bush years with his ranking up of massive debts, but guess what... not a peep, and in fact there was defence of his policies.
 
PeteEU said:
I am.. damn I must have missed that memo of who ran the country from 2000 to 2006 ... and who was in the White House from 2000 to 2008
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:rofl
Glad to see you -completely- missed the point.
Question is -- was it on purpose?
 
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