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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by REO SpeedDealer View Post
    Hmmm...so in order to understand your point I'm supposed to read your posts "together"? And read between the lines as well presumably. Are there any secret codes I should be aware of?

    Thanx for the heads up.
    Considering the one post built on what was already posted in another, and that it's a common part of what we call "conversation," yes.

    This is simply dishonest, anyway; you already know that.



    No....you were not. You were trying to diminish the credibility of the DC fire dept spokesman.

    And you were busted.
    Where? I took his words at face value. It's you who dismiss it when it puts your favored number in doubt.

    Again, why do you have the psychological need to diminish this crowd?


    Really? Really?

    Where?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058263465

    Wherein, I said:

    Where the "240,000" number comes from is probably the number of tickets given out for the Obama Inauguration.

    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - National Mall to be open for Obama inauguration - Blogs from CNN.com

    You appear to consider "reading' a fishing expedition for only those things you want to find.


    The quote I was referring to was:

    "But the day of the rally, Piringer unofficially told one reporter that he thought between 60,000 and 75,000 people had shown up.
    “It was in no way an official estimate,” he said.
    We asked Piringer whether there were enough protesters to fill the National Mall, as depicted in the photograph.
    “It was an impressive crowd,” he said. But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, the crowd “only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street,” he said."

    PolitiFact | "Tea party" photo shows huge crowd ? at different event

    Note that Piringer is speaking in the past tense. And yet he still stands by the DC fire estimate of 60-75k.
    Piringer speaks for himself and I think it's pretty obvious what he's saying. People without blinders can pretty much determine that for themselves.



    Nonsense...the "eyewitness description" points to a small crowd that barely extends to 3rd St.

    No you didn't. This is what I said:

    "The 240k area in the USA Today map shows densely packed ticketed seating all the way to 4th St."

    Where have you ever addressed the fact that the estimate of 240k is specifically tied to densely packed seating that extends all the way to 4th St.? In fact...this is what you said:

    "The Capitol Grounds up to Third Street represents the area in the USA Today article I linked to in the last post as the 240,000 area"

    Liar!
    I told you, post #403, above:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058263512

    though on that map, the 240,000 area contained the first segment of the Mall beyond Third St. HOWEVER, it also had the grounds around Grant's Tomb -- roughly the same size as that segment -- as empty, but the 912 crowd filled it. Area-wise, that's a wash; so the estimate for the area Piringer says the crowd filled is ~ 240K by the USA Today article methodology.
    If you actually read the post (which you must have, considering you quoted from it), then you are an egregious liar yourself for not acknowledging this.

    Which proves beyond a doubt that it's pointless to engage you; you have no intention to conduct an honest debate.

    Anyone can see that, I'd think.


    Wow...aren't you guys uncomfortable with all those numbers stuck up your rectum?
    I gave my methodology, plain as day. I will take this as acknowledgment that you can't or won't refute it. QED. Seeing as you've got nothing, we're done here.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    seems like just another right wing circle jerk to me. that is why the reporting is sparse.
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    You want us to take your concerns seriously, yet you blow off and demean ours.
    not at all. i think it would be good if the right would express a serious dialogue with the left and the centrist populace. it seems as if the US needs to take a hard look at the two party system. i think the voters need to start looking at the incumbents that they keep electing. and give some serious thought to voting for the politicians that you all keep complaining about. i think when the liberals (i am one) do the same silly circle jerk things it is just as dumb. until the American public realizes that the mental masturbation that is their politics changes at the core both sides will suffer.

    conservatives are not all wrong. liberals are not all wrong. centrists are not all wrong either. nor are any of them all correct. your major parties are all corupt and focused only on getting reelected. the voters put these back into office at alarming rates.

    maybe i needed to express this better in my first statement.

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    fyi Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    There is a big problem on BOTH sides here, there is a serious on the actual numbers.
    On the Left side, you have the desire to DUMB DOWN the numbers...
    Why?
    The LEFT will not want to admit that there is any "real opposition" to their policies. They want to be able to ignore it, they want to be able to hide from the truth that there are people out there, a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT number of people.
    On the Right side, you have the desire to INFLATE the numbers...
    Why?
    The RIGHT wants to show that there is opposition. That there are people willing to stand up and say something against the current administration. They are also afraid that the Left will DumbDown the numbers and make it seem less significant than it was.

    The smart thing to do is take a look at past events and known information...much of which has already been posted on the web, and even in this forum.
    The Stage, the front of the mall, the streets on the sides, Official Estimates (of which there are none) and unofficial estimates (of which there are many)...and you get the feeling that there were prolly between 150,000 people and 500,000 people...
    Those up front, and out back, and down both boulevards from front to back, and off to the side in the rear areas where groups had also gathered.
    If you count them all up, and compare these photos with things like the inauguration, million mom march, promise keepers, etc, and you have the official (or some what official) numbers from those gatherings, you might get an understanding of the number as I estimate it...

    And, if you like, you could take my last bit of wisdom with you, when you are in the middle of these kinds of crowds, you will tend to estimate FEWER bay a large margin (by about 2/3rds). Why? Because you are only seeing a fraction of the people. It would have taken someone in a helicopter to determine a better estimate.

    Now my next question... I know there is software out there that can count bodies in video...it is used in Florida and Great Britain...so why doesn't someone just run the video thought the software and get a machine count of the estimate?

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    I think if everyone who attended could provide their long form birth certificates we could put this matter to rest.

    Jeez, people, is the number really important. A lot of people showed up. It was significant enough.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I think if everyone who attended could provide their long form birth certificates we could put this matter to rest.

    Jeez, people, is the number really important. A lot of people showed up. It was significant enough.
    And scared hell out of the Democrats in Congress.... Barry probably had to change his short too.

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