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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    If you believe that it was 60-70k of people... I'm sorry, but you clearly didn't see the whole picture.
    The 60-70k estimate is from the DC fire dept....who have at least some expertise at this sort of thing. No offense, but I tend to trust their opinion over yours or Glenn Beck's in a matter such as this.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by REO SpeedDealer View Post
    The 60-70k estimate is from the DC fire dept....who have at least some expertise at this sort of thing. No offense, but I tend to trust their opinion over yours or Glenn Beck's in a matter such as this.
    What about the pictures?? That's what I based my estimate on... I've been to protests with about 20-30k of people, and those occupied a small fraction of the space with much less density of people.

    NOTHING like this : [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8"]YouTube - 9/12 Protest Washington DC Time Lapse Footage 0800 - 1130[/ame]

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Umm your wrong there Hazlnut as I have stated the NPS has stated this was the largest March in DC History so are you calling the NPS Liers.
    Dude....you are about a week behind. That quote was already proven to have been a fraud. Get with it.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, I probably could have taken another angle... not that it matters, since I could have just explained how the end result of 'the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer' will end up with the 1% with all the ressources and the other 99% either dead or dependant on the 1%, and you'd have still called it 'paranoid'...

    I could have went and dug out all sorts of sources, linked them, bill numbers, historical precedences where similar laws had been enacted allowing a dictator to take control, etc, etc... and you would have said 'no... I don't care about facts and figures, history and politics... you're just paranoid.' (and since I support the majority of those views that you would have found at the DC protest, you might have just added that I was racist too...

    Which is funny... think about it :
    taxes too high?? That's racist
    Don't want socialized health care?? It's cause you're racist
    Don't want to give up your guns ?? You must just not like black people.
    Don't like having to walk through a naked body scanner at the airport?? R to the 'acist'

    Tell me though, why SHOULD I care what you think of me when I'm just trying to present information (which if you showed any inclination of actually looking into, I might have made the effort to source) and you're just trying to say that anyone that thinks that way is 'paranoid'??

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    When did I say I was an expert?? If anything I said that I was NOT an expert... it doesn't always take an expert to have common sense...
    The common sense that the stream of people was probably around 40-50 people across... it doesn't take many rows deep to get 1000 people... and you can get a feel for the types of numbers watching the flow of people just going on for blocks and blocks... and that's only a few viewpoints...

    If you believe that it was 60-70k of people... I'm sorry, but you clearly didn't see the whole picture.
    Except you can see that they only fill up about 1/4 of the mall. When completely full, the mall holds approx. 240k. Hmmmmm.... 1/4 of 240 is what?
    60K.

    The people claiming that there were much more than that are simply desperate to try to make their cause seem larger than it was...as a result they are making themselves and their "cause" look even more silly and irrelevant.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Except you can see that they only fill up about 1/4 of the mall. When completely full, the mall holds approx. 240k. Hmmmmm.... 1/4 of 240 is what?
    60K.

    The people claiming that there were much more than that are simply desperate to try to make their cause seem larger than it was...as a result they are making themselves and their "cause" look even more silly and irrelevant.
    That's where we're having the problem... you think the protest was contained within the mall area... meanwhile looking at the time lapse video you can see it's side to side people for at least 7-8 blocks + cross streets (that you can't see as clearly how far), then the panoramic view where it's clear that the mall is pretty damn close to full, along with the adjacent intersections... + behind the film for several blocks... so that 60k estimate is absolutely ludicrous.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Classic....the sequel.
    I wish you could formulate more than two word responses... and somehow seem as through you are confident that you are proving your own point somehow?? Sure

    America....^This is the voice of the right-wing opposition. See how reasonable and rational it is?
    Disneydude... get out of disneyland for a second... first crank in your gear : I'm NOT a right-wing person.

    Clinton : Although I was entertained by the whole Lewinsky thing, I only barely got into politics, although with what I know of him now I probably would have hated him.
    Bush : Bush was completely evil, although I'm still not 100% if he was an evil genius and actor, or so dumb that he couldn't tie his shoes without help. I decried virtually ALL of his policies especially after 9-11 when he was doing so much against the constitution, re: patriot act
    Obama : I knew Obama was going to win against McCain about 3weeks before he was elected because the big banks funded Obama at a 4:1 rate over McCain. I wanted to give him a chance, but he's taken exactly everything that Bush has done and expanded on it.

    So... how does that fit with your premise?
    Seriously, how does that fit into your paradigm knowing that Obama is just as much of a tool of the business elite as Bush... if not even more under their control since he's got almost nothing but lobbyists in his presence?
    Can't you see that Bush being such a moron made someone well spoken like Obama to take the reign and sell people on ideas like 'hope and change'??

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    What about the pictures??
    The pictures are irrelevant....in the digital age the manipulation of photographs is entirely too easy and likely (not to mention the fact that the event organizers have already been busted trying to pass off a fake photo).

    What is your problem with the DC fire dept. estimate? Do you think they have an agenda?

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    There were obviously hundreds of thousands of people there, I would guess a conservative estimate would be about 200 thousand, to 300.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    There were obviously hundreds of thousands of people there, I would guess a conservative estimate would be about 200 thousand, to 300.
    Apparently not so obvious to those with any actual experience estimating crowd size. Nice to know there are so many armchair authorities around though.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by REO SpeedDealer View Post
    Apparently not so obvious to those with any actual experience estimating crowd size. Nice to know there are so many armchair authorities around though.
    Good to know there are so many people that will refuse to accept any information contrary to what fox news or the new york times will say...

    Quote Originally Posted by REO SpeedDealer View Post
    The pictures are irrelevant....in the digital age the manipulation of photographs is entirely too easy and likely (not to mention the fact that the event organizers have already been busted trying to pass off a fake photo).

    What is your problem with the DC fire dept. estimate? Do you think they have an agenda?
    Yes... digital manipulation... it was really 20 people at the even that just photoshopped each other hundres of thousands of times spanning 6-7 blocks + going into the cross-streets along the way.

    Yes, film and video manipulation is possible, but it takes TIME to do that, and especially alot of time if you plan to do it well enough that it isn't plainly obvious even to the non-expert.

    No, I don't think that the fire dept has an agenda, I just think they were ONLY counting the people directly in the area of the stage.

    What's your problem with accepting something that's plainly obvious in photo and video sources??? Which you clearly won't even look at for whatever reason... btw, just because you don't LIKE where evidence points does not mean you can simply claim manipulation... especially when you're making the claim with NO EVIDENCE to support that claim whatsoever.

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