Also, I wouldn't go as far as suggest that they are unreliable source, just not an ideal source... mind you, on about 80% of issues the mainstream media is an utter failure in presenting facts without spin (the 20% exception being 'entertainment news') Ex : an article I saw about a woman that died of swine flue... read the first two paragraphs and the woman died from deadly swine flu... read the last two paragraphs and the woman suffered respiratory illness, had been in and out of hospitals for years and had a previously weakened immune system (aka she died while infected with swine flu but not necessarily because of swine flu)
A) The panoramic shot shows at least 250k (about 2and a half stadiums worth of people)
b) The time delay video from the rooftop... this shows a stream of people in a tight crowd from sidewalk to sidewalk that progressed out over at least 6-8 city blocks. I could place that in the 600-700kjust with how consistently thick the crowd of people is through the whole procession.
c) The tendancy for people to want to exaggerate / reduce numbers for whatever reasons, meaning that those that claim the highest numbers will tend to be exagerating for their benefit... to say it was 60-70thousand was just a laughably small estimate, that had to only been counting people in the area of the stage, since that seemed about the capacity of that area... but then you take that area and see that it was about a tenth of the area that was occupied.
So, I would go to a max of about 800k to account for places that weren't clearly shown because of angles, trees, and other obstructions. European media was saying in the 1.5 million, probably by asking the police their estimates... which actually would put media and organizaer estimates with a .5 discrepency... that almost makes me think the REAL number was between 1.25 - 1.75 million people... but I didn't count it like that, so I'm going based on the list of things.
The common sense that the stream of people was probably around 40-50 people across... it doesn't take many rows deep to get 1000 people... and you can get a feel for the types of numbers watching the flow of people just going on for blocks and blocks... and that's only a few viewpoints...
If you believe that it was 60-70k of people... I'm sorry, but you clearly didn't see the whole picture.
In my opinion, conservatives made two mistakes with this march. The first was in their hugely exaggerated number claims, which turned the story from the rally itself, and into an argument about numbers that makes them look bad. The second was that the organizers and protesters did not quickly and loudly condemn the more radical elements of the protest. This again shifted the topic away from the point of the rally and onto a topic where they simply will not look good.
While from a political standpoint I am glad they made these mistakes, on a more personal level I feel bad for the tens to hundreds of thousands of demonstrators who where exercising their rights in this country to protest and demonstrate whose message was lost due to the actions of the radical elements and poor leadership by the organizers.
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I can promise you that while it may seem 'fringe' this is a growing movement... which is why glen beck is trying to takeover this movement and keep it as a 'republican' thing when ultimately it is a 'freedom' thing.
Actually, the BIGGEST indication (IMO) of the success of this was that there was 0 arrests made... I'd have to see examples of what is being counted as 'radical elements' otherwise...The second was that the organizers and protesters did not quickly and loudly condemn the more radical elements of the protest. This again shifted the topic away from the point of the rally and onto a topic where they simply will not look good.
I've seen videos of on the street interviews, and while there were a few eccentrics and a couple that didn't seem to really know what they were protesting, but the majority that I saw had an understanding of the issue that drew them there.
I'm not sure what specifically you're talking about in terms of 'mistakes'... the biggest problem is that glen beck is attempting to co-opt a legitimate movement.... the reality is that for the most part the people there were leaderless, they've booed down almost as many republicans as they have democrats.While from a political standpoint I am glad they made these mistakes, on a more personal level I feel bad for the tens to hundreds of thousands of demonstrators who where exercising their rights in this country to protest and demonstrate whose message was lost due to the actions of the radical elements and poor leadership by the organizers.