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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    meh, like I said before, there are many like me, who agree with the sentiment of the protest, but who would only protest, under extreme duress, and then, from the rooftops with a high caliber rifle.


    Getting a bunch of jobless dirty hippies to a war protest easy.


    Getting 60k right and lbertarians to anything like this. simply astounding.
    First of all, those jobless hippies are running Apple Computer.

    But seriously, I didn't realize we had confirmed the gainful employment of all the protestors this weekend. My point is, there was definitely a mix of folks out there--and it did appear to be mostly libertarians and conservatives. But let's not make assumptions about their employment.

    Glen Beck (and maybe others) have portrayed it as an "American" movement where people from all political beliefs got together to protest big government. Maybe that's what he wanted. But that's not what happened. A truly American popular movement would have to include a broad and equal representation of Americans united and focused.

    Also, those hippies in the 60s were not the only ones who wanted the war in Vietnam to end. Mothers, fathers, wives and children of servicemen. My point here is that the conservatives are not he only ones who don't like new taxes. And libertarians are not the only ones concerned about the expansion of the federal government. But right-of-center folks, moderates, and centrists want nothing to do with birhers, Hitler signs, racists, and anyone shouting into our face. Fair enough?

    I think it's right to question and discuss every policy, especially a major bill on health care reform. But it has been difficult to find 'common ground' if you will, with people on the far right in terms a basic understanding of what's being purposed. Death Panels, pulling the plug, socialism, etc. Can't have a discussion when we're not on the same reasonable and level-headed page.

    I have questions and concerns about the Public Option, but I don't see it as a trojan horse to single payer.

    The Obama Administration's reaching out to Big Pharma over the Insurance companies raises eyebrows, but the drug companies produce a necessary product (for a profit) and develop new products and technology. Health care providers provide a service--the actual care. But what do insurance companies do? Their business model is based on something that is counter-intuitive. Insure as many people as possible, but pay out as few claims as possible. It would be a like a restaurant getting customers to pay at the door, then feeding them as little as possible at the buffet. Not that they are an evil, greedy industry that should be eliminated--I'm not saying that at all. However, if they could be made to be more competitive with pricing and providing service--I see that as a good thing. And if they could be made to do this without too much new government regulation/oversight. Better.

    My problem with the Public Option is that it will be run from the Federal level which means too many layers of bureaucracy, waste, and corruption, which all result in bad PR. And, eventually, a well-meaning program being labeled a failure.

    I would rather see the Federal government offer incentives to co-ops or non-profit health insurance companies at the state and local levels. Or offering incentives to non-profit/co-op health care providers. Merge the insurance companies into the provider. Like a health club. You pay your membership feel, you pay your dues, and then you can use any machine, go to any class you want. I would like to see health insurance/health care merge into a health club business model. An new kind of HMO with competitive pricing and service.

    Sure, some health clubs are nicer than others and what do you do if you're out of town? Okay, I haven't worked it all out, but that's the direction I think would provide better care at a lower cost.

    Local government can be very pragmatic and efficient when it comes to providing services to communities. If they don't, they have to answer for it in an immediate and personal way. Medium and small states can also run their own programs a lot better than the feds.

    California?? We're screwed. We are like a small country in civil disorder. If only Arnie were a super hero.

    Anyway. Just my opinion on the issue of health care reform.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Dood, why did you do that?


    A big long post?


    I gots to leave for a Devils game in a few mins.... I'll have to come back to this.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    My point is, there was definitely a mix of folks out there--and it did appear to be mostly libertarians and conservatives. But let's not make assumptions about their employment.
    What, are you making some kind of attempt to appear "moderate" and level-headed now?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    A sad excuse for a popular uprising.

    The illiterate, the uninformed, frustrated by their own shortcomings in life, they lash out blindly and without the vaguest notion of what they are fighting for. "We want our country back."

    Birthers, bigots, closet bigots, homophobes and closet homosexuals. People who have never formed an original thought or opinion in their entire lives.

    In the history of marches on Washington, this will go down as a pathetic footnote. Rebels without a cause or a clue lead by a mentally unstable media clown named Glen Beck.

    They drink a cool-aide made from equal parts fear, prejudice, and willful ignorance.

    I sincerely feel sorry for them.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Glen Beck (and maybe others) have portrayed it as an "American" movement where people from all political beliefs got together to protest big government. Maybe that's what he wanted. But that's not what happened.
    Well, if you look at the polls, you will find that every demographic and political leaning in America is losing faith in Obama and his policies, so it would make perfect sense to say that the protesters were not just conservatives and republicans... But hey, common sense has no business in political debate... right?


    A truly American popular movement would have to include a broad and equal representation of Americans united and focused.
    Is that code for "no liberals, so no legitimacy"?



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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Is that code for "no liberals, so no legitimacy"?
    That would be my guess.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And yet those numbers surpassed war protests, the million man march, and the million mom march against the second amendment........hmm, interesting.


    Yeah, interesting is the fact millions came back to life, and felt passionate enough to travel far and wide, taking time off of work, away from family and friends etc., costing mucho dollars, to spend countless hours standing in a massively crowded group of other individuals with the same passions. Yeah, interesting!

    Had it been possible, I would've been there as well, protesting what the powers that be are doing to America. And every damn American, who enjoys living in America, should've been there as well.

    This country is being taken in a direction it should not be manueved into. We are loosing our right to bear arms. Our freedom. Our right to assemble. Our right to free speech. And yet, many of you sit there, running your mouths, contributing nothing but negative static, waiting and hoping for the day when America will finally fall and become one of the more controlling gov'ts the world offers...socialism. Totaltarism. Fascism. Communism....Take your pick, as we're headed towards every single one of them. How long will it take to reach communism? 10 years? 20 years? 30? Ask any average citizen that has lived under such a rule as to whether or not they loved it. If they loved those types of rule, they would not have struggled to move to America, the land of the FREE. Otherwise, what would've been the point of leaving their own countries to come here?

    Is a country ruled as one of those what you want? Would you be happy then? How about your children? Your grandchildren? And on and on.....Would they be proud that we, the people let this all happen? Or would they be pissed as hell at all of us?

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    Yeah, interesting is the fact millions came back to life, and felt passionate enough to travel far and wide, taking time off of work, away from family and friends etc., costing mucho dollars, to spend countless hours standing in a massively crowded group of other individuals with the same passions. Yeah, interesting!

    Had it been possible, I would've been there as well, protesting what the powers that be are doing to America. And every damn American, who enjoys living in America, should've been there as well.

    This country is being taken in a direction it should not be manueved into. We are loosing our right to bear arms. Our freedom. Our right to assemble. Our right to free speech. And yet, many of you sit there, running your mouths, contributing nothing but negative static, waiting and hoping for the day when America will finally fall and become one of the more controlling gov'ts the world offers...socialism. Totaltarism. Fascism. Communism....Take your pick, as we're headed towards every single one of them. How long will it take to reach communism? 10 years? 20 years? 30? Ask any average citizen that has lived under such a rule as to whether or not they loved it. If they loved those types of rule, they would not have struggled to move to America, the land of the FREE. Otherwise, what would've been the point of leaving their own countries to come here?

    Is a country ruled as one of those what you want? Would you be happy then? How about your children? Your grandchildren? And on and on.....Would they be proud that we, the people let this all happen? Or would they be pissed as hell at all of us?

    Are you serious?

    What "right to bear arms" has been lost?

    What "right to assemble" has been lost?

    What "right of free speech" has been lost?

    And who are these "millions" that you are talking about
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you serious?

    What "right to bear arms" has been lost?

    What "right to assemble" has been lost?

    What "right of free speech" has been lost?

    And who are these "millions" that you are talking about
    It is now confirmed, dizydude can't read..

    We are loosing our right to bear arms. Our freedom. Our right to assemble. Our right to free speech.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It is now confirmed, dizydude can't read..



    How are you "Losing" your right to bear arms, your right to free assembly, your right to free speech?

    I think its official....the "party of no" is becoming the "party of paranoia"
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    meh, like I said before, there are many like me, who agree with the sentiment of the protest, but who would only protest, under extreme duress, and then, from the rooftops with a high caliber rifle.


    Getting a bunch of jobless dirty hippies to a war protest easy.


    Getting 60k right and lbertarians to anything like this. simply astounding.
    As though the entire population including babies, elderly bedridden and others similar could show up in DC for a protest; not to mention the entire left that wouldn't show up. Do these people have any clue how to count?
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