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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Seems this is a bit more than mere "Right wing fringe" groups.... What do you all think of this turnout, to me, it indicates a possible out of touchness with this administration.
    10's of thousands, as opposed to the 930k freedomworks claimed. all seem to be white, btw. sometimes i wonder what they are really protesting, what with the all the lovely signs they displayed.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Well this is from Infowar.com.

    National Park Service Admits 9/12 Demo Largest On Record

    a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying “It is a record…. We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”

    The past largest march was Dr. Kings march which was around 1.8 Million.

    Also one other item I would like to point out that doesn't get reported but this was a three day event, now how does this effect the actual number's I'm not sure.

    Oh and few other items to throw in how the Park Service come's up with the numbers, they use all Police/Fire and Emegancy Numbers along with Aerial Shots taken by the USAF and NSC/NSA to show crowd size.
    I am not going to trust that one. Pictures comparing the crowd Saturday to the inauguration show that Saturday was less than half that size.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    They may not like the finer points of the health bill legislation being drafted on capital hill, but objecting to it simply because it costs a lot of money is insincere and foolish.
    Why, because you say so?

    "Foolish" is a $1.6T + deficit with promises to "cut it in half" over several years. (To $800B? Only after several years?)

    That, I assure you, is quite sincere.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Health care has been one of the primary focuses of the U.S. government for decades. Expenditures have been rising exponentially in the private sector and consequently for government as well. Various criticisms have been leveled as to why this is the case, and effective reform requires that lots of money be spent. The only way not to spend lots and lots of money on health care is to do what the Bush Administration did and ignore it, thereby increasing deficits in the long run. They may not like the finer points of the health bill legislation being drafted on capital hill, but objecting to it simply because it costs a lot of money is insincere and foolish.

    You can maybe carve off a hundred billion or two and still have somewhat effective reform, but there isn't really a point; the amount of money that is being projected to be saved in the long run by people in private and for the U.S. government as a result of reform is supposed to compensate for any temporary loss. When you are investing for long term gain, a hundred billion or two out of eight isn't very important.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Well this is from Infowar.com.

    National Park Service Admits 9/12 Demo Largest On Record

    a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying “It is a record…. We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”

    The past largest march was Dr. Kings march which was around 1.8 Million.

    Also one other item I would like to point out that doesn't get reported but this was a three day event, now how does this effect the actual number's I'm not sure.

    Oh and few other items to throw in how the Park Service come's up with the numbers, they use all Police/Fire and Emegancy Numbers along with Aerial Shots taken by the USAF and NSC/NSA to show crowd size.
    Thank you kindly sir.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why, because you say so?

    "Foolish" is a $1.6T + deficit with promises to "cut it in half" over several years. (To $800B? Only after several years?)

    That, I assure you, is quite sincere.
    I don't really like going over the old information that everybody should already know, but it is because it costs too much -- collectively, something like 2 trillion a year for both government and Americans. Tends to be too much for both, leading to borrowing, in the case of the government, and credit, in the case of Americans.

    But that's not why I think they are insincere or hypocritical; I think that for a different reason. On this point, I just think they are being foolish.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 09-14-09 at 07:29 PM.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Well this is from Infowar.com.

    National Park Service Admits 9/12 Demo Largest On Record

    a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying “It is a record…. We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”

    The past largest march was Dr. Kings march which was around 1.8 Million.

    Also one other item I would like to point out that doesn't get reported but this was a three day event, now how does this effect the actual number's I'm not sure.

    Oh and few other items to throw in how the Park Service come's up with the numbers, they use all Police/Fire and Emegancy Numbers along with Aerial Shots taken by the USAF and NSC/NSA to show crowd size.
    This is a link from your link....

    CLEAN Conservatives vs FILTHY Liberals-- A Photographic Essay
    Gateway Pundit: CLEAN Conservatives vs FILTHY Liberals-- A Photographic Essay

    Looks like case closed.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't really like going over the old information that everybody should already know, but it is because it costs too much -- collectively, something like 2 trillion a year for both government and Americans. Tends to be too much for both, leading to borrowing, in the case of the government, and debt, in the case of Americans.

    But that's not why I think they are insincere or hypocritical; that is for other reasons. On this point, I just think they are being foolish.
    Many of the protesters I saw were incensed by obscene spending and deficits. That's not limited only to health care.
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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Many of the protesters I saw were incensed by obscene spending and deficits. That's not limited only to health care.
    That's where the hypocrisy and insincerity comes in. Massive spending and deficits were a problem 30 years ago when Reagan came up with the theory that you could finance the military and all other government programs with borrowed money, lower taxes as a result, and then pay back the debt with interest later without hurting the economy much, because the economy would have grown so large that even while the tax rates remain low the amount of money being taxed would yield larger profits for the government. Phase 1 of his plan worked, phase 2 also worked, but phase 3 didn't work, because while growth in the private sector was good (for awhile), it wasn't anywhere near enough to finance the debt of 8 years.

    To some extent, that policy decision characterizes the spending habits of every Administration since, with the exception of Clinton. The end result is 10-11 trillion dollars of debt -- almost all of it conservative in origin. This has been a long process 30 years in the making, but it is only now that a Democrat, a liberal, who is actually spending the amount of money conservatives have hitherto only fantasized about liberals spending, that the issue is worth having a protest over. I find that hypocritical and insincere; there were dozens of opportunities over the last 30 years to make this into an issue; probably would have occurred during Clinton's Administration if he had actually been a huge spender, but it was ignored and excused on behalf of Reagan and the Bush's, with Bush Junior finally getting some of the fall out -- but most of it being reserved for Obama.

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    Re: Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's where the hypocrisy and insincerity comes in. Massive spending and deficits were a problem 30 years ago when Reagan came up with the theory that you could finance the military and all other government programs with borrowed money, lower taxes as a result, and then pay back the debt with interest later without hurting the economy much, because the economy would have grown so large that even while the tax rates remain low the amount of money being taxed would yield larger profits for the government. Phase 1 of his plan worked, phase 2 also worked, but phase 3 didn't work, because while growth in the private sector was good (for awhile), it wasn't anywhere near enough to finance the debt of 8 years.

    To some extent, that policy decision characterizes the spending habits of every Administration since, with the exception of Clinton. The end result is 10-11 trillion dollars of debt -- almost all of it conservative in origin. This has been a long process 30 years in the making, but it is only now that a Democrat, a liberal, who is actually spending the amount of money conservatives have hitherto only fantasized about liberals spending, that the issue is worth having a protest over. I find that hypocritical and insincere; there were dozens of opportunities over the last 30 years to make this into an issue; probably would have occurred during Clinton's Administration if he had actually been a huge spender, but it was ignored and excused on behalf of Reagan and the Bush's, with Bush Junior finally getting some of the fall out -- but most of it being reserved for Obama.
    You seem to have a reality problem...



    Notice when the line starts going almost straight up? Who was in charge of the nations purse at that time? (hint... the year is 2007)

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