2001-2008: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
2009-2016: Dissent is the highest form of racism.
2017-? (Probably): Dissent is the highest form of misogyny.
And, you didnt answer the question -- did the Dems just roll over and give the tax cuts to him, or did they not?
Claiming a mandate =/= "We won, give us what we want".When Bush was reelected by a thin majority he claimed a mandate.
Asking for a up/down vote =/= "We won, give us what we want".Plenty of times the GOP was asking for up and down votes on confirmation and legislation.
So, if these are the total of your responses, its clear you cannot support the idea that the Dems rolled over for GWB and that GWB bullied them into it by reminding them that they lost the election.
Thus rendering moot YOUR point that:
The republicans seem to forget they lost the election.Which is exactly what you expect of the GOP.That's not compromise that's called capitulation.
Ah... you cannot refute the point, so you try to change the subject.Except when its convenient right? They seem to have no problem dropping principles when they hold the keys.
I'll take that as your concession of the issue.
It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.
Demint's Comments"If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."
DeMint said he could "almost guarantee you this thing won't pass before August, and if we can hold it back until we go home for a month's break in August...Senators and Congressmen will come back in September afraid to vote against the American people."
Its not that comment are you? Cause that seems pretty clearly talking about THIS particular bill.
"Stop Obama on THIS"
"THIS thing won't pass"
Seems to me he's talking SPECIFICALLY about this health care reform plan, not "Health care reform" in general.
Could you please provide a source to back up your claims?
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
You can characterize it however you want in order to avoid having to admit you;re wrong -- its STILL not what you said.More like I won I'm going to do whatever I feel like try to stop me
And, note that "I won, try to stop me" is NOT the same as "since I won, you have no place to stop me", as you suggested -- in fact, its clearly the opposite.
Considering not all things get up and down votes sounds like them wanting the dems to capitulate.
Asking for a straight vote is an expectation of capitulation?
Show these things to examples of this -- as it ssems to me that the Dems mustered opposition to each and every one of them.I see you skipped the other examples I gave you where the dems did roll over on the iraq supplementals, on the torture legislation, on the FISA revisions, Telecom immunity
See above.Yeah if you skip every example given and act like I never gave them.
And I'll ask again, just because I know you will skip it from adove:
Did the Dems just roll over and give the tax cuts to him, or did they not?
Not, its spot on -- you expect the GOP to accept the one provision they cannot. Thats capitulation, regardless of how many 'gimmies' you offer to them.No not even close.
Yes, you are changing the subject; however relqted you think it is, you're still discussing someting other than what I said.No not changing the subject its related.
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