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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well if it's too early to tell, what is Obama bitching about?
    Well I don't know maybe someone like Jim Demint saying that if they don't kill reform that it will hurt republican chances in 2010. That its been made political. Really I don't know where he gets the idea they want to kill reform.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well if it's too early to tell, what is Obama bitching about?
    That's EASY!
    The Obama wants to repeat the "The GOP is holding this up" lie as often as possible, so that if/when it does fail, the public will (wrongly) blame the GOP, and not the Dems.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    And we're not going to solve the cost problem illegal of immigrants using so much of the health care budget first? And where going to bring up that seniors are using too much of our money at the very end.
    Thanks for nobody quoting this middle paragraph. What a disgrace!

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Thanks for nobody quoting this middle paragraph. What a disgrace!
    What was there to talk about? The House oversight committee did a study that showed we spent 8 million dollars to find 8 illegal immigrants that abused medicaid. There's not secret brotherhood of illegal immigrants conspiring to steal health care funds. Most illegals try to keep a low profile. As for seniors who is saying we spend too much on seniors? Do you have numbers on how much money illegals take in health care?

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    What was there to talk about? The House oversight committee did a study that showed we spent 8 million dollars to find 8 illegal immigrants that abused medicaid. There's not secret brotherhood of illegal immigrants conspiring to steal health care funds. Most illegals try to keep a low profile. As for seniors who is saying we spend too much on seniors? Do you have numbers on how much money illegals take in health care?
    My spelling before coffee!

    I really don't believe anything anybody says about costs of anything.

    All I'm saying is the president is nuts thinking this is the republicans fault. He's just incredibly bad at explaining things and of meeting people half way.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Well I don't know maybe someone like Jim Demint saying that if they don't kill reform that it will hurt republican chances in 2010. That its been made political. Really I don't know where he gets the idea they want to kill reform.
    I don't have any idea where he gets that we want to kill "REFORM". If he said THIS REFORM then yeah...absolutely, you're damn right. We want to kill THIS reform. Its bad, we don't want it, and as such our representitives are doing a good job by fighting against it.

    However, the fact there has been alternative suggestions put out there by republicans shows this notion that they simply don't want "reform" is bogus. The Republicans don't want the reform, tied to an increased governmental control in some fashion of peoples insurance or service, that they are pushing currently. That is not the same as not wanting "reform" as you and the President continue to try and portray. The continual and repeated spin and attempt to blame republicans is as much playing "politics" as anything Demint's stated.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Well I don't know maybe someone like Jim Demint saying that if they don't kill reform that it will hurt republican chances in 2010. That its been made political. Really I don't know where he gets the idea they want to kill reform.
    So what? If the Reps can't stop anything, what's Obama's bitch?
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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    My spelling before coffee!

    I really don't believe anything anybody says about costs of anything.

    All I'm saying is the president is nuts thinking this is the republicans fault. He's just incredibly bad at explaining things and of meeting people half way.
    Drink more coffee. I'm not seeing what your complaint is. So you're not willing to believe anyone on anything. So where do you get that people are complaining that seniors are taking too much money or immigrants are taking up too much of our healthcare?

    Halfway? There is no halfway. The republicans seem to forget they lost the election. Look what happened on the stimulus they brought the stimulus spending down, had him throw in a bunch of tax cuts and only a few voted for it. What's the point of negotiating if the other side won't even vote for a bill after you give them what they want?

    Compromise is both sides giving not one side throwing a temper tantrum to get what they want and then not voting for the bill. If the republicans want some things in the bill they need to give a little.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Drink more coffee. I'm not seeing what your complaint is. So you're not willing to believe anyone on anything. So where do you get that people are complaining that seniors are taking too much money or immigrants are taking up too much of our healthcare?

    Halfway? There is no halfway. The republicans seem to forget they lost the election. Look what happened on the stimulus they brought the stimulus spending down, had him throw in a bunch of tax cuts and only a few voted for it. What's the point of negotiating if the other side won't even vote for a bill after you give them what they want?

    Compromise is both sides giving not one side throwing a temper tantrum to get what they want and then not voting for the bill. If the republicans want some things in the bill they need to give a little.
    So? What are they suppose to do, roll over and play dead now for four years? I don't remember the Dems doing that after 1994. I don't remember the Dems doing that when Bush won twice. So what is your point? Compromise to the Democrats is Republicans giving in.
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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    If the President thinks that choice and competition is what's most important, why aren't democrats even considering allowing purchasing insurance across state-lines?
    They are, that's what the Exchange will do.


    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You're right they can't stop it if the dems choose the budget reconcilliation process. However if they try the normal route the dems simply do not have enough dems to defeat a filabuster. Johnson isn't reliable because of his health situation. Lieberman is an independent who can't be counted on. Most I see them getting is 59 if all the dems and Sanders votes their way.
    Plus, they are missing Sen Kennedy's vote ...


    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Thanks for nobody quoting this middle paragraph. What a disgrace!
    LOL that was cute. I hate when I mangle spelling or sentences and it get's quoted, meaning I can't fix it.

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