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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The goal of a majority of Liberal Democrats is indeed a Government Managed Universal Healthcare; this is not lost on Blue Dog Dems or the Republicans and attempts by the Obama Administration to obfuscate this fact with their lies and distortions doesn't change this.
    Government managed universal health care does not necessarily create better health outcomes, nor has it demonstrated the ability to reduce costs (which is in part population demographic dependent).

    And yet, UHC is not being mentioned at all in this current debate among health care reform.

    So i am going to ask anyone, whom is willing to have a serious discussion of course, how does a private option equate to government run universal health care?

    Consider current coverage on medicare before answering, as this is integral to the debate (from an economic standpoint).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    could you translate please?

    right wingers are republicans, aren't they? and have we heard that republicans would like healthcare to be obama's waterloo?

    seems pretty crazy that you are against lowering health care costs and controlling the deficit.
    I find it odd that anyone can think that Government managed ANYTHING will cost less.

    This plan will increase the deficit by trillions and we haven't even figured out how to pay for the $1.6 trillion deficit we already have.

    The most amazing thing in this entire debate since Obama took office is that when Bush was in charge, Liberals and Democrats were outraged he ran up a deficit of $200 billion. They screeched about the need to RAISE taxes.

    Today we see them rationalize that spending TRILLIONS we don't have makes perfect economic sense and that we need to spend TRILLIONS more without a single honest debate about the level of taxation it will take to pay for all this largess.

    It is stunning to say the least.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes. Granted, not directly through votes because the Democrats can pass it without them for the most part. But through trying to get voters to rise up and become against it. That said, that's a rather narrow summarized question from Scorp's post. I don't have issue with Obama saying republicans are trying to block THE health care bill. However, I have issue with this:



    Note, to "kill reform", not kill THIS reform.

    So I'll ask you. Do you think the President is highlighting a majority opinion held by Republicans, that they want to kill REFORM in general? Or do you think he's attempting to use an extreme minority in an attempt to make it appear to be the majority reason why people are opposed to this bill? Do you agree with his implication that the prime force of this is due to Republicans wanting to kill REFORM in general?
    here's what i think: the republicans and talking heads encouraging the town hall screamers are attempting to kill ALL reform. the town hall screamers are mostly dupes who don't really understand what they are screaming about and odds are they would reconsider if a republican offered the same reform.

    they are extreme, true. but the squeaky wheel.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I thought the Dems had the majority. Don't bills pass on a simple majority vote?
    they need 60 to avoid a filibuster. ain't gonna happen.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I find it odd that anyone can think that Government managed ANYTHING will cost less.

    This plan will increase the deficit by trillions and we haven't even figured out how to pay for the $1.6 trillion deficit we already have.

    The most amazing thing in this entire debate since Obama took office is that when Bush was in charge, Liberals and Democrats were outraged he ran up a deficit of $200 billion. They screeched about the need to RAISE taxes.

    Today we see them rationalize that spending TRILLIONS we don't have makes perfect economic sense and that we need to spend TRILLIONS more without a single honest debate about the level of taxation it will take to pay for all this largess.

    It is stunning to say the least.
    oh, trust me, i think taxes will be raised.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Government managed universal health care does not necessarily create better health outcomes, nor has it demonstrated the ability to reduce costs (which is in part population demographic dependent).

    And yet, UHC is not being mentioned at all in this current debate among health care reform.

    So i am going to ask anyone, whom is willing to have a serious discussion of course, how does a private option equate to government run universal health care?

    Consider current coverage on medicare before answering, as this is integral to the debate (from an economic standpoint).
    I will answer your question based on a statement I made in another thread:

    How does the "public option" lead to Government takeover of our healthcare system leading to less choice, lower quality and long waiting lists:

    (1) First pass a law that creates a "public option" where anyone who wants can OPT to use this instead of the "private" option and subsidize the true costs with the taxes confiscated from wealthier Americans.

    (2) Pass laws that restrict the ability of private healthcare providers to make a profit by demanding that everyone pay the same for their insurance regardless of their age and or medical condition, and then state that they have to provide this same insurance to anyone regardless of pre-existing conditions.

    (3) Sit back and watch most businesses opt out of providing employees with health insurance forcing many to opt for the Government plan which is being subsidized by wealthier tax payers and businesses and watch as insurance providers go out of business because they cannot make a reasonable return on investment and many of their customers run to the cheaper Government alternative which is, of course, subsidized by the tax payers.

    (4) Raise taxes on the insurance providers and levy large fines when they are found to be out of compliance with the growing amounts of legislative red tape they will be forced to deal with.

    In the end, there will no longer be any competition because the Government, subsidized by wealthy Americans and businesses, will be able to undercut private insurers and will have regulated them out of business because they can no longer make a reasonable profit.

    In support of my comments, here are the words of these Liberal Democrats themselves:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE"]YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaFuvW9dS4"]YouTube - Rep. Maxine Waters Won't Vote for a Health Care Reform Bill That Doesn't Have a Public Option[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M--z64GaA70"]YouTube - Sen. Jim DeMint Debates Health Care with Rep. Charlie Rangel[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V_hzO_pufo&feature=channel"]YouTube - Dodd Supports a Public Option as Part of Health Care Reform[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98"]YouTube - Single Payer Action Confronts Barney Frank[/ame]

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    here's what i think: the republicans and talking heads encouraging the town hall screamers are attempting to kill ALL reform. the town hall screamers are mostly dupes who don't really understand what they are screaming about and odds are they would reconsider if a republican offered the same reform.

    they are extreme, true. but the squeaky wheel.
    This is false; they are trying to kill the quiet efforts of Liberals like Obama from introducing Government run healthcare plain and simple.

    I am constantly amused how the Liberals want to claim that the ONLY way to reform our healthcare system is by burying the American taxpayer into trillions more debt and have it run by a Government that cannot balance its own budget or responsibly manage the programs it currently has.


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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    In support of my comments, here are the words of these Liberal Democrats themselves:
    Its more than clear that The Obama and His minions will not accept a bill that does not have a public option.

    The GOP will not accept a bill that DOES have a public option.

    How are the Dems any less guilty of refusing to compromise than the GOP?

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its more than clear that The Obama and His minions will not accept a bill that does not have a public option.

    The GOP will not accept a bill that DOES have a public option.

    How are the Dems any less guilty of refusing to compromise than the GOP?
    You and I, as well as many others who are not attempting to obfuscate, know that the Dems have no intention of compromise and in the end will force their bill down the throats of their fellow Conservative Democrats and Republicans and then demagogue the Republicans once again as having killed this bill as the party of "no."

    It is with the same level of deceit that the likes of Bagala and Carville attempt to suggest that a talk show host is the leader of the Republican Party and only brain dead lemmings listen to the show to get their marching orders.

    Fortunately, with the advent of information like Youtube and the internet, these attempts to manipulate using a willing media who no longer pretends it is unbiased and went all in for Obama, can no longer succeed and the truth gets out.

    These Socialists want Government Universal Healthcare and they see this as an historic opportunity to get their foot in the door with a 1,000 page plus bill that no one can read and which Obama himself claimed had to be passed before the summer recess so that there would be little or no debate as to what this bill contains.

    The more the American people learn about this budget busting trillions of dollars attempt to take over our Healthcare, the less they like.

    Then, when average Americans come to Town Hall meetings to express their ire, they are demagogued as unthinking intellectually challenged midgets who have no idea what they are talking about and take their marching orders, once again, from Rush Limbaugh.

    The fascinating thing here is watching the Liberals get exposed for the lying hypocrites they truly are and their desperate efforts to cover up their gross incompetence as they watch their ability to lie to the American people diminished by other forms of media who are not in their camp.

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    Re: Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is false; they are trying to kill the quiet efforts of Liberals like Obama from introducing Government run healthcare plain and simple.

    I am constantly amused how the Liberals want to claim that the ONLY way to reform our healthcare system is by burying the American taxpayer into trillions more debt and have it run by a Government that cannot balance its own budget or responsibly manage the programs it currently has.

    i don't balme you for buying into the bull****......it's knee deep and very pungent.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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