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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's a lie and you know it.
    Not if we read what you actually said.

    What if the civilians realize that the reason they are dieing, is that the Tallies always start a fight amongst civilian areas? Are the Afghans too stupid to figure that out?
    Perhaps they are supportive of the insurgency? You clearly haven't studied insurgencies at all. The water is at least nominally supportive of the fish. If it wasn't there wouldn't be any fish. I highly doubt you'll get that, but it is key as to understanding the role of civilians in insurgencies.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Reducing civilian losses reduces resistance to toleration. Increased toleration reduces insurgency and promotes development. Reduced insurgency and economic development is our ticket out of this conflict. If we constantly kill civilians, we prolong the insurgency, reduce development and expose more soldiers to conflict.
    If that's the case, then the civilians in Afghanistan should be highly intolerant of the Tallies, right about now. Yes?[/quote]





    True, you're just laughed at.
    Naw, I think there's quite a few posters lauging at your ass, right now. I mean, you think that American lives are worthless and count less than Afghan civilians who are endangered by their own people. You aren't even smart enough to see that.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not if we read what you actually said.
    Especially if you read what I actually said. Or, most importantly, if you have enough intellignce to understand it. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not the only one saying the exact same thing.



    Perhaps they are supportive of the insurgency? You clearly haven't studied insurgencies at all. The water is at least nominally supportive of the fish. If it wasn't there wouldn't be any fish. I highly doubt you'll get that, but it is key as to understanding the role of civilians in insurgencies.

    If that's the case, then they are the enemy, as well.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If that's the case, then the civilians in Afghanistan should be highly intolerant of the Tallies, right about now. Yes?
    Some are. Actually from reports many are. They just are highly intolerant of us as well.

    Naw, I think there's quite a few posters lauging at your ass, right now. I mean, you think that American lives are worthless and count less than Afghan civilians who are endangered by their own people. You aren't even smart enough to see that.
    Yes, I think American lives are worthless because I argued for resolving the war quickly to reduce the risk of death to American soldiers. I'm against prolonging the war because it risks American soldiers' lives and therefore I think those lives are worthless.

    You wonder why we laugh at you?
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Apsdt doesn't seem to think so.



    This depends. For instance, if we always choose to go how you want, but result in killing civilians, doesn't that prolong the war which exposes even more soldiers to risk of death? So all we really end up doing is trading the lives of soldiers in the future for the lives of soldiers now. How does one measure this? In lives?
    No it doesn't.

    American lives > Other Lives

    Period

    While each case must be interpreted individually, thats what it comes down to. Thats what we have C.O.'s for... and they failed EPICLY in this case.

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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Some are. Actually from reports many are. They just are highly intolerant of us as well.
    In that case, they aren't non-combatants and are, therefore, legitimate targets and deserve to die. Welcome to the real world.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

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    Yes, I think American lives are worthless...
    Enough said!
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Some are. Actually from reports many are. They just are highly intolerant of us as well.



    Yes, I think American lives are worthless because I argued for resolving the war quickly to reduce the risk of death to American soldiers. I'm against prolonging the war because it risks American soldiers' lives and therefore I think those lives are worthless.

    You wonder why we laugh at you?
    You are the only one laughing.

    If I was out in the trenches, and i saw "civilians" running ammo, guns, and explosives out to enemy combatants, guess who just got mowed.

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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    You are the only one laughing.

    If I was out in the trenches, and i saw "civilians" running ammo, guns, and explosives out to enemy combatants, guess who just got mowed.
    Yeah, no kiddin'.

    It's a damn shame when people can't put their political agenda down for a sec t support our soldiers in the field.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    This story was not even about the killing of civilians, it was about how the new RoEs--put into place in order to prevent that, supposedly--needlessly endanger our troops in unnecessary situations...and need to be fixed.

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