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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Then why hasn't Iraq been a total failure as that was really the first war of the 21st century to be fully covered almost minute to minute? I think you place way too much emphasis on media rather than things like economic development that are key towards eliminating insurgencies.
    Because, the media has learned that it can only get away with so much defeatism. The days of the loser piece-a-crap Walter Cronkite saying, "the war can't be won", are over.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, that logic is exactly what is going to insure that this last 50 years, unless an abundant amount of US soldiers die, the current leadership gets squeemish and we tuck tail-n-run.
    Explain to me how killing civilians makes the situation better. Maybe you're pro-genocide? It wouldn't be the most insane argument you've given here, and actually comparatively, it would be reasonable.

    The problem that I see you folks having, is that you believe that the Afghans are only going to blame American troops for the collateral damage; that they're too stupid to realize that the enemy is using them as human shields.
    Care to support his position or is this more rear end talking?
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Explain to me how killing civilians makes the situation better. Maybe you're pro-genocide? It wouldn't be the most insane argument you've given here, and actually comparatively, it would be reasonable.
    I got a better idea: explain to me how killing more soldiers than anyone else is going to make things better. Maybe you're anti-military? It wouldn't be the most un-informed argument you've given here.



    Care to support his position or is this more rear end talking?
    If you don't get it, then it's a complete waste of time explaining it to you.

    It just goes to show that Liberals will bend over backwards to undermind out military and get soldiers killed to push their agenda.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Explain to me how killing civilians makes the situation better. Maybe you're pro-genocide? It wouldn't be the most insane argument you've given here, and actually comparatively, it would be reasonable.



    Care to support his position or is this more rear end talking?
    Killing civilians = BAD

    Enforcing protocol wether civilians are at threat or not, effectively getting our troops and many more afghan troops killed = MUCH MUCH WORSE

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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I got a better idea: explain to me how killing more soldiers than anyone else is going to make things better. Maybe you're anti-military? It wouldn't be the most un-informed argument you've given here.
    Except that nothing I said supports such a claim or is even relevant. Not surprising you changed the argument.

    You have yet to explain how killing more civilians is a good outcome.

    If you don't get it, then it's a complete waste of time explaining it to you.
    Which is why many people ignore you.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Killing civilians = BAD

    Enforcing protocol wether civilians are at threat or not, effectively getting our troops and many more afghan troops killed = MUCH MUCH WORSE
    Some folks can't understand the difference between bad and much, much worse. But, they ain't the ones doin' the dien'.
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that nothing I said supports such a claim or is even relevant. Not surprising you changed the argument.
    Your comments claim that civilian lives take precedence over American lives.

    You have yet to explain how killing more civilians is a good outcome.
    Nice try at twisting my words, but I never that killing more civilians was a good outcome. Care to try actually addressing what I did say vs. what you invented?



    Which is why many people ignore you.

    Somehow, I doubt that I'm ignored...
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Killing civilians = BAD
    Apsdt doesn't seem to think so.

    Enforcing protocol wether civilians are at threat or not, effectively getting our troops and many more afghan troops killed = MUCH MUCH WORSE
    This depends. For instance, if we always choose to go how you want, but result in killing civilians, doesn't that prolong the war which exposes even more soldiers to risk of death? So all we really end up doing is trading the lives of soldiers in the future for the lives of soldiers now. How does one measure this? In lives?
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Apsdt doesn't seem to think so.
    That's a lie and you know it.



    This depends. For instance, if we always choose to go how you want, but result in killing civilians, doesn't that prolong the war which exposes even more soldiers to risk of death? So all we really end up doing is trading the lives of soldiers in the future for the lives of soldiers now. How does one measure this? In lives?
    What if the civilians realize that the reason they are dieing, is that the Tallies always start a fight amongst civilian areas? Are the Afghans too stupid to figure that out?
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    Re: US Marine and Afghan forces lose many due to lack of support...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your comments claim that civilian lives take precedence over American lives.
    Reducing civilian losses reduces resistance to toleration. Increased toleration reduces insurgency and promotes development. Reduced insurgency and economic development is our ticket out of this conflict. If we constantly kill civilians, we prolong the insurgency, reduce development and expose more soldiers to conflict.

    Nice try at twisting my words, but I never that killing more civilians was a good outcome. Care to try actually addressing what I did say vs. what you invented?
    Except that you never argued otherwise. Watch:

    Care to try actually addressing what I did say vs. what you invented?

    Not even a single word had to be changed.

    Somehow, I doubt that I'm ignored...
    True, you're just laughed at.
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