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    White House on Health Care and Illegals

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    The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president's health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants.

    The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson "You lie" outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the "exchange," as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants -- which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans -- bill language or no bill language.

    Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange.

    Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants.

    The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:

    Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.

    Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.

    Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.

    There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.
    1. How do you spell S-U-R-R-E-N-D-E-R?

    2. If there was NO ISSUE, why the CHANGE?

    3. The CHANGE was signaled to anyone with EARS when the president on Wednesday nite radically, stunningly (how could you MISS it?) altered his nomenclature from 47 million AMERICANS currently uncovered, his mantra for months, to a sudden 30 million CITIZENS in need of expanded insurance.

    4. So, who's the exact LIAR, Mr Wilson?

    5. Meanwhile, Pelosi takes steps to CENSURE South Carolina Joe, while shielding and protecting Ways and Means (the most powerful committee in Washington) Chairman Rangel, the most corrupt man in America.

    6. Now, them's some pretty CHEAP politics, Ms P.

    7. Problem is, no one TRUSTS this president.

    8. When he says he's gonna VERIFY citizenship...

    9. Problem is, he keeps MAKING UP all this CRAP as he limps along.

    10. Problem is, he, by changing his mind and course literally every day, telegraphs to the whole world, INCLUDING HIS OWN SUPPORTERS, both at large and within congress, he doesn't know what he's doing.

    11. And he's always constantly so extremely ON THE DEFENSIVE.

    12. Leaders must be FORWARD leaning.

    13. This guy DANCES.

    14. And he's no Michael Jackson.

    15. Americans in the know want E-VERIFY, a program of proven provenance.

    16. Unfortunately, Ways and Means' Rangel shot it down, known as the Heller Amendment, on July 17.

    17. If his address to Congress was a success, why the need for clarification?

    18. The more he talks, the more muddled up everything becomes.

    19. Palin defeated the president over Death Panels (LOL!) in a span of 3 days, Beck beat Obama's butt over Van Jones in 5.

    20. And now unknown Joe Wilson in 48 hours forces the White House to wave white flag.

    21. And MSNBC(!) is the nonplussed source.

    22. We are all witnessing the most incompetent politician at the national level our beloved nation has ever produced, who is absolutely destroying his party.

    23. Adult dems will NOT follow this idiot over the edge.

    24. Even his "clarifications" confuse---folks in the Exchange, he says, must prove citizenship, while those operating outside can...

    25. Too vaguely conceived, too improvised, too straining of credibility.

    26. He admits his public option carrying Exchange will "shrink" the "private market."


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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com



    1. How do you spell S-U-R-R-E-N-D-E-R?

    2. If there was NO ISSUE, why the CHANGE?

    3. The CHANGE was signaled to anyone with EARS when the president on Wednesday nite radically, stunningly (how could you MISS it?) altered his nomenclature from 47 million AMERICANS currently uncovered, his mantra for months, to a sudden 30 million CITIZENS in need of expanded insurance.

    4. So, who's the exact LIAR, Mr Wilson?

    5. Meanwhile, Pelosi takes steps to CENSURE South Carolina Joe, while shielding and protecting Ways and Means (the most powerful committee in Washington) Chairman Rangel, the most corrupt man in America.

    6. Now, them's some pretty CHEAP politics, Ms P.

    7. Problem is, no one TRUSTS this president.

    8. When he says he's gonna VERIFY citizenship...

    9. Problem is, he keeps MAKING UP all this CRAP as he limps along.

    10. Problem is, he, by changing his mind and course literally every day, telegraphs to the whole world, INCLUDING HIS OWN SUPPORTERS, both at large and within congress, he doesn't know what he's doing.

    11. And he's always constantly so extremely ON THE DEFENSIVE.

    12. Leaders must be FORWARD leaning.

    13. This guy DANCES.

    14. And he's no Michael Jackson.

    15. Americans in the know want E-VERIFY, a program of proven provenance.

    16. Unfortunately, Ways and Means' Rangel shot it down, known as the Heller Amendment, on July 17.

    17. If his address to Congress was a success, why the need for clarification?

    18. The more he talks, the more muddled up everything becomes.

    19. Palin defeated the president over Death Panels (LOL!) in a span of 3 days, Beck beat Obama's butt over Van Jones in 5.

    20. And now unknown Joe Wilson in 48 hours forces the White House to wave white flag.

    21. And MSNBC(!) is the nonplussed source.

    22. We are all witnessing the most incompetent politician at the national level our beloved nation has ever produced, who is absolutely destroying his party.

    23. Adult dems will NOT follow this idiot over the edge.

    24. Even his "clarifications" confuse---folks in the Exchange, he says, must prove citizenship, while those operating outside can...

    25. Too vaguely conceived, too improvised, too straining of credibility.

    26. He admits his public option carrying Exchange will "shrink" the "private market."


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    1. Learn how to use proper sentence structure.
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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Thanks for contributing!

    It is fact Illegals WILL have access under the proposed bill, and democrats in congress DID vote down closing the loophole.

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    I will make my own list and I will keep it short.

    1. Learn how to use proper sentence structure.
    1. Joe Wilson wins.

    2. Obama once more loses.

    3. Obama always loses.

    4. Proper enough for you?

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. Joe Wilson wins.

    2. Obama once more loses.

    3. Obama always loses.

    4. Proper enough for you?
    For your next trick, let's try paragraphs so your posts are readable.

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    joe wilson kicks the president's ass over the issue of illegals, and redress is concerned with The powerful Prof's syntax

    LOLOL!

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Without the dashes.

    2. If there was NO ISSUE, why the CHANGE?
    There was not an issue as the bill plainly stated that no one that was here illegally would be covered. Yet right wingers obviously hate and fear Mexicans (in their minds "Mexicans" includes anyone south of Texas) so much that they did this as an act of appeasement.

    3. The CHANGE was signaled to anyone with EARS when the president on Wednesday nite radically,
    Night is misspelled.

    stunningly (how could you MISS it?) altered his nomenclature from 47 million AMERICANS currently uncovered, his mantra for months, to a sudden 30 million CITIZENS in need of expanded insurance.
    Yes, its all a conspiracy.

    4. So, who's the exact LIAR, Mr Wilson?
    Yes Mr. Wilson is a liar.

    I am sick of addressing the rest of it. If you could only write in paragraph form. This method of posting you use makes me think that you actually talk the same way you post. For example, when you are buying a lap dance at the local flop house:

    "1. I would like a lap dance

    2. Her breasts should be symmetrical.

    3. I prefer its not a minority that gives me a lap dance.

    4. How close can she get to me?

    5. Is it 6 inches?

    6. Is it 3 inches?

    7. Why does it cost so much......"
    Last edited by SouthernDemocrat; 09-12-09 at 10:07 AM.
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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For your next trick, let's try paragraphs so your posts are readable.
    redress finds four 3-word sentences difficult to read?

    LOLOLOL!

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There was not an issue as the bill plainly stated that no one that was here illegally would be covered
    lap dances?

    kinda weird, fella

    the prez in his own words felt the need to CLARIFY

    on the issue of ILLEGALS

    the bill's "plainly stating" was apparently, according to the administration, not plain enough

    there ya go

    please never stand within 4 feet of me

    make it 5

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Without the dashes.



    There was not an issue as the bill plainly stated that no one that was here illegally would be covered. Yet right wingers obviously hate and fear Mexicans (in their minds "Mexicans" includes anyone south of Texas) so much that they did this as an act of appeasement.

    3. The CHANGE was signaled to anyone with EARS when the president on Wednesday nite radically,

    Night is misspelled.



    Yes, its all a conspiracy.



    Yes Mr. Wilson is a liar.

    I am sick of addressing the rest of it. If you could only write in paragraph form. This method of posting you use makes me think that you actually talk the same way you post. For example, when you are buying a lap dance at the local flop house:

    "1. I would like a lap dance

    2. Her breasts should be symmetrical.

    3. I prefer its not a minority that gives me a lap dance.

    4. How close can she get to me?

    5. Is it 6 inches?

    6. Is it 3 inches?

    7. Why does it cost so much......"
    Yeah, that's why the Senate had to quickly revise their bill after Obmama's speech.

    Hahahahahah, sucker.
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