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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. Joe Wilson wins.

    2. Obama once more loses.

    3. Obama always loses.

    4. Proper enough for you?
    Rather childish,IMO.
    About this proposed health care bill(s), have you read it ?
    I understand its about 1,800 pages...
    I have not seen it, so I cannot comment..
    I have heard a lot, but with this Wilson out-burst as any example, everything I have heard is garbage.

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Limt View Post
    I don't see any problem with undocumented residents obtaining care.

    Regardless of what anyone thinks, these people are here to stay. No, they're not getting deported, kicked out, or worse.

    It makes financial sense to cover them.

    If one doesn't, the cost to cover them in emergency room visits, in the long run, will outweigh the short time perceived savings.
    A "thanks" is given, even as I disagree.
    I still like the idea of a national ID card - no card - no government financially supported health-care..
    Also, I like the idea of government subsidies - say 50%, which should make health care affordable for the poor.

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Rather childish,IMO.
    About this proposed health care bill(s), have you read it ?
    I understand its about 1,800 pages...
    I have not seen it, so I cannot comment..
    I have heard a lot, but with this Wilson out-burst as any example, everything I have heard is garbage.
    EVERYTHING you've heard is garbage?

    problems remaining with obamacare:

    1. it fines individuals caught breathing without insurance, exactly as driving is handled in CA

    2. as such, it forces folks to finagle for themselves that which they can't afford in the first place, hardly the help they were hoping for and were promised

    3. it cuts medicare and medicaid half a T

    4. it bends the cost curve the wrong way, significantly

    5. it lacks enforcement to ensure only citizens are included

    6. it generalizes abortion funding, bluedog bugaboo

    7. it taxes small biz, political AND economic suicide in our current crisis

    8. it taxes med benefits, the mccain plan

    9. it surcharges upper incomes

    10. it's perceived as foot in the door incrementalism to single payer, millions don't trust the prez when he says his public option is not intended to drive privates outta biz

    11. it looks to end of life costs for sinister savings

    12. no one trusts the prez, even leaders in his own party

    13. more trust is required for this effort, the single greatest domestic political issue in american history, than any president has ever asked any electorate for

    14. the prez is making everything up as he goes along, all can see, which is why no one trusts him

    15. he doesn't even know himself exactly what a "co op" or an "insurance exchange" is gonna look like or how it's gonna work

    16. he threw in tort reform for cheap political purpose and he's not sincere

    17. why SHOULD anyone trust him

    18. he doesn't know who's gonna write the final piece, the admin or congress

    19. he doesn't know YET, STILL, whether to go thru the house first with 3200 or to try baucus

    20. he doesn't YET know whether to do reconciliation, the nuke option, upstairs, and he has only til oct 15 to get that done should he go that route

    21. he hasn't decided YET whether to go it alone with blues or whether to continue to try to bribe ms snowe (a futile bid, after her name appeared next to his in print)

    22. his claim to have found 2/3 of the cost of all this in "savings" in medicare and medicaid is laughable and an insult to teddy who musta been awful dumb not to able to find what the kid discovered so serendipitously

    23. whether to go left and get the progressives or should he steer right towards the bluedogs and the senators

    24. what to tell america about what he plans to do next

    25. what to tell america as to why he keeps changing his mind

    health care is dead, his performance wed nite was a disaster, his party has gone BACKWARDS since then

    and that was BEFORE some TWO MILLION patriots marched on downtown, perhaps the biggest crowd in dc history

    3200 has NO chance in the house

    it NEVER held a hope upstairs

    the prez, tho, doesn't KNOW this

    he's too obtuse

    oh well

    the most incompetent politician at the national level america has ever produced

    he flew to minnesota to escape all the tea

    he doesn't like tea, i hear

    he so wanted to have coffee with ahmedinejad

    that didn't work out either

    he always loses

    being president is a lot harder than campaigning, it turns out

    sorry
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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote The Prof

    1. it fines individuals caught breathing without insurance, exactly as driving is handled in CA
    Its not a bill yet, your statement is bogus.
    2. as such, it forces folks to finagle for themselves that which they can't afford in the first place, hardly the help they were hoping for and were promised
    See answer to #1
    3. it cuts medicare and medicaid half a T
    Your wrong the “proposed bill” only effects the 14% bonus going to Medicare advantage plans.
    4. it bends the cost curve the wrong way, significantly
    The proposed bill is revenue neutral or the President says he wont sign it. Wrong again.
    5. it lacks enforcement to ensure only citizens are included
    That’s been taken care of also.Its still a work in progress.
    6. it generalizes abortion funding, bluedog bugaboo
    Wrong yet again nothing about abortion in the proposed bills
    7. it taxes small biz, political AND economic suicide in our current crisis
    Small biz will get more of a break than they have now trying to keep up with the rising cost of insurance at the rate that they have rising in the past decade for less coverage. How scan a “proposed revenue neutral bill” be economic suicide?
    8. it taxes med benefits, the mccain plan
    Show me in the “proposed bill” where it says that med benefits will be taxed.
    9. it surcharges upper incomes
    Good ,we get back some of the taxcuts bush gave them,
    10. it's perceived as foot in the door incrementalism to single payer, millions don't trust the prez when he says his public option is not intended to drive privates outta biz
    Who perceives this?
    11. it looks to end of life costs for sinister savings
    This is bull****.
    12. no one trusts the prez, even leaders in his own party
    54% trust him, maybe your hangin with the wrong crowd.
    13. more trust is required for this effort, the single greatest domestic political issue in american history, than any president has ever asked any electorate for
    Shouda been passed when President Truman wanted it and we wouldn’t be having this chat.
    14. the prez is making everything up as he goes along, all can see, which is why no one trusts him
    Not all of us have a murky crystal ball such as the one your evidently peering into.
    15. he doesn't even know himself exactly what a "co op" or an "insurance exchange" is gonna look like or how it's gonna work
    Speculate much? I would imagine that with his education he can be brought up to speed pretty fast.
    16. he threw in tort reform for cheap political purpose and he's not sincere
    Hey, cant get everything you want, myself I would have put that up long ago but I’m just a dumb a** truck driver what do I know.
    17. why SHOULD anyone trust him
    Why not?
    18. he doesn't know who's gonna write the final piece, the admin or congress
    It’s a work in progress and yet your bittchen like it has been passed…so sad.
    19. he doesn't know YET, STILL, whether to go thru the house first with 3200 or to try baucus
    WTF IS this supposed to mean?
    20. he doesn't YET know whether to do reconciliation, the nuke option, upstairs, and he has only til oct 15 to get that done should he go that route
    I’m pretty sure he has a plan, just setting up the ole end around we use to run in football way back when we had leather helmets.
    21. he hasn't decided YET whether to go it alone with blues or whether to continue to try to bribe ms snowe (a futile bid, after her name appeared next to his in print)
    Nah she’s in the bag, all he has to do is stall until they vote in Mass.for Kennedy’s seat.
    22. his claim to have found 2/3 of the cost of all this in "savings" in medicare and medicaid is laughable and an insult to teddy who musta been awful dumb not to able to find what the kid discovered so serendipitously
    Lets see your numbers.
    23. whether to go left and get the progressives or should he steer right towards the bluedogs and the senators
    And?
    24. what to tell america about what he plans to do next
    Meh.One step at a time.
    25. what to tell america as to why he keeps changing his mind
    Such as?
    health care is dead, his performance wed nite was a disaster, his party has gone BACKWARDS since then
    and that was BEFORE some TWO MILLION patriots marched on downtown, perhaps the biggest crowd in dc history
    I don’t know, looks like plenty of space on the right if anyone wants land a plane. On the left side it looks like it would be a tight squeeze even for a hummingbird.



    3200 has NO chance in the house it NEVER held a hope upstairs the prez, tho, doesn't KNOW this
    he's too obtuse oh well the most incompetent politician at the national level america has ever produced he flew to minnesota to escape all the tea he doesn't like tea,

    Yea he’s really afraid of the crowd of wingers with tea bags hanging from their hats eh?

    i hear he so wanted to have coffee with ahmedinejad that didn't work out either he always loses being president is a lot harder than campaigning, it turns out

    This is so lame I wont even comment on it,gettn pretty late and have early delivery have to get my proper rest gnite prof.

    Sorry
    You sure are.
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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Its not a bill yet, your statement is bogus.
    If its not a bill yet, what is it ?

    You are simply wrong, it is a bill, it is just not signed into law yet.

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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    If its not a bill yet, what is it ?

    You are simply wrong, it is a bill, it is just not signed into law yet.

    I was talking about a Healthcare Bill. Obama hasn’t signed a healthcare bill yet,... so it’s a healthcare Proposal that has not yet been signed into law. Hence the term…bogus.
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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I was talking about a Healthcare Bill. Obama hasn’t signed a healthcare bill yet,... so it’s a healthcare Proposal that has not yet been signed into law. Hence the term…bogus.
    Playing a game of semantics makes your statement intellectually dishonest at best.
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    Re: White House on Health Care and Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. Joe Wilson wins.

    2. Obama once more loses.

    3. Obama always loses.

    4. Proper enough for you?
    Very childish post. "3. Obama always loses." What the hell is that supposed to mean??

    Wilson is now poling equally with his challenger Rob Miller.

    LOLOLOL

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