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House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

friday said:
That Obama was lying about what he and his party are planning. He said that we are liars for thinking his plan WILL in the future cover illegal aliens. But when Heller offered an amendment to make sure that people's statuses are verified before receiving government health benefits, that amendment was voted down.
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Once again what part of his statement was a lie. There's no proof thus far that it will cover any illegal immigrants in fact it specifically states that it will not cover non-citizens. So his statement was not a lie and you have yet to prove otherwise. Also whats the proof that SAVE wouldn't have ended up in the final bill? Do you have proof it was voted down anything from the senate site linking that? How about proof that the heller amendment would actually stop the smart ones from cheating the system? How exactly would the heller amendment countermand federal law providing emergency care to those who can't pay. How about residents who aren't citizens? Again you have yet to prove his statement was a lie
 
No Enforcement Provisions, so the claim was a false one.

I wouldn't expect you to internalize that true answer to your question, what I do expect is . . . .

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Voidwar said:
No Enforcement Provisions, so the claim was a false one.

I wouldn't expect you to internalize that true answer to your question, what I do expect is . . . .

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Again void you can't bring yourself to admitting you were wrong. You claimed he lied without being able to point out how his claim was false. Again no illegals thus far have gotten coverage from the health reform measures so until that happens you have nothing to stand on. Once again what guarantees can you provide the enforcement provisions will work?
 
PogueMoran said:
Again void you can't bring yourself to admitting you were wrong.
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Because I don't lie like Barack.

The fact that the administration caved and added the provisions lets everyone know who was right and who was wrong.

Your little timetravel semantic antics are a pathetic sideshow.

This entire argument was decided when the administration backed down.
 
Re: pounding you flatter than unborn origami

PogueMoran said:
Once again what guarantees can you provide the enforcement provisions will work?
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Repeating this chunk of pure ignorance are you ??

I already refuted it completely right here :

Voidwar said:
Some people will get away with speeding too. Should we repeal speed limits ?
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Voidwar said:
Because I don't lie like Barack.
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More bull****. You're lying quite well right now

Voidwar said:
The fact that the administration caved and added the provisions lets everyone know who was right and who was wrong.
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Again there's no proof that those provisions were not going to be in the final bill just more speculation on your part.

Voidwar said:
Your little timetravel semantic antics are a pathetic sideshow.

This entire argument was decided when the administration backed down.
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Time travel? You're the one not making sense here. You accuse him of lying about something that hasn't happened yet. Then claim something was taken out of a bill then put back in when the bill isn't even final yet. Then claim the administration backed down when there was no final bill. Again more speculation on your part.
You still haven't shown how SAVE would stop all illegals from abusing the system
 
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Voidwar said:
Repeating this chunk of pure ignorance are you ??
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Pure ignorance? You shouldn't talk about yourself like that Void. You never showed how SAVE would stop all illegals from abusing the system.

Voidwar said:
I already refuted it completely right here :
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Not once did you refute this instead you wanted me to do your homework for you
 
The Bottom line is this Rep. Wilson called President Obama on one item in the speech the next day the Gang of Six removed said items so who was lieing and who wasn't.
 
Scorpion89 said:
The Bottom line is this Rep. Wilson called President Obama on one item in the speech the next day the Gang of Six removed said items so who was lieing and who wasn't.
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Again scorpion being as the finalized bill hasn't even come out of committee who is to say if those provisions would have been in the bill or not.
 
PogueMoran said:
Again scorpion being as the finalized bill hasn't even come out of committee who is to say if those provisions would have been in the bill or not.
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Well lets see they had three different time to drop the Adm. from the Bill all three time's they didn't, hmm lets see Rep. Wilson calls out the President and the next day the 2 adm that were still sitting in the Bill are removed what does that tell you. Oh and don't forget that the Republicans could have stop those Adm. from being part of the Bill since they don't have enough folks to fillerbust the Adms. But see Pogue you already know this fact so why keep saying that they would never had made it out of Comm.
 
Wilson apologized to the president and the president could have had the Sgt. at arms remove him from the house after the out burst but he felt it wasn't necessary.

The rest of the congress needs to do what the president did and let this go.
 
PogueMoran said:
You accuse him of lying about something that hasn't happened yet.
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He lied on Wednesday, about the status of "THE THING" on Wednesday.

What's so hard to comprehend ?

Are you angry that "THE THING" covers whatever little semantics bait n switch terminology ploy you were going to attempt ?

Are you angry that everyone knows this happened on Wednesday, and is already a factual occurance six days in the past ?
 
Phantom said:
Wilson apologized to the president and the president could have had the Sgt. at arms remove him from the house after the out burst but he felt it wasn't necessary.

The rest of the congress needs to do what the president did and let this go.
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Since when does the sargeant at arms work for the prez?
 
Scorpion89 said:
Well lets see they had three different time to drop the Adm. from the Bill all three time's they didn't, hmm lets see Rep. Wilson calls out the President and the next day the 2 adm that were still sitting in the Bill are removed what does that tell you. Oh and don't forget that the Republicans could have stop those Adm. from being part of the Bill since they don't have enough folks to fillerbust the Adms. But see Pogue you already know this fact so why keep saying that they would never had made it out of Comm.
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Correlation does not mean causation. What amendment are you takling about now? Everyone was talking about the save provisions which they say were put in not taken out. So which amendments are you saying were removed. Again who is to say what would have been in the bill until the finalized bill made it out of committee.
 
Voidwar said:
He lied on Wednesday, about the status of "THE THING" on Wednesday.

What's so hard to comprehend ?

Are you angry that "THE THING" covers whatever little semantics bait n switch terminology ploy you were going to attempt ?

Are you angry that everyone knows this happened on Wednesday, and is already a factual occurance six days in the past ?
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Lol you just keep going on and on without being able to prove its a lie. Its obviously hard for you to comprehend that in order for something to be a lie it actually has to be proven. Now you're trying to redefine the dictionary definition of a lie. I'm not angry at all it just seems you keep dancing around and moving the goalposts.

I'm sorry but when in the past 6 days did illegals get health care coverage under this draft bill? Until that happens your statement that he lied rings pants on fire false
 
friday said:
I hope he doesn't apologize. It was after he called out the President that the White House decided to require verification for Illegals getting federal health insurance. I mean, yes, Wilson needs to respect the President. But the President needs to respect us and not lie to us. He needs to remember that he works for us, not the other way around. You know what happens to employees who lie to me?
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he "called out the president"? they weren't on a freaking playground.
 
liblady said:
he "called out the president"? they weren't on a freaking playground.
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That's pretty much all Washington is.

And yeah, called out might offend your tender sensibilities but that's exactly what he did. He brought a storm of attention to it...the wrong way, granted, but still...that's what he did.
 
I don't suppose they'll impeach Obama for lying then.
 
PogueMoran said:
Lol you just keep going on and on without being able to prove its a lie.
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And you just keep making up new terms for "THE THING" and wishing you could invent a time machine.

The administartion backed down and agreed to put the immigration status checking / SAVE provisions into the bill because Joe Wilson called him out on his false statements.

His false statements amounted to making a claim about the legislation that he knew the legislation had no enforcement mechanism for.

Can you dance to a beat that fast ?
 
PogueMoran said:
I'm sorry but when in the past 6 days did illegals get health care coverage under this draft bill? Until that happens your statement that he lied rings pants on fire false
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On Wednesday, the president lied about the status of "THE THING" on Wednesday.

Your question about illegals is an irrelevant red herring. If not for Joe Wilson, the Dems would have passed a bill that illegal aliens would have been able to skeeze onto and use. That outcome was prevented, by Joe Wilson.
 
Voidwar said:
And you just keep making up new terms for "THE THING" and wishing you could invent a time machine.

The administartion backed down and agreed to put the immigration status checking / SAVE provisions into the bill because Joe Wilson called him out on his false statements.

His false statements amounted to making a claim about the legislation that he knew the legislation had no enforcement mechanism for.

Can you dance to a beat that fast ?
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I'm not making up new terms you keep spinning aruond in circles. Again what proof do you have it would have never been in the final bill? Besides SAVE has been proven not to be cost effective. The GAO did a report on the strict adherance to SAVE and that states had their numbers on medicaid go down and people who were actually elligible were cut out by false positives. One state lost 18,000 people. The state of Colorado has some of the strictist rules and they spend 2 million and have found no illegals cheating the system. So you're spending more money to hurt people who are elligible in the hope you'll stop a virtually non-existent problem. Also you're assuming correlation means causation a pretty standard ad hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy.

So again until Illegal Aliens got insured under the health care reform the president was not lying. You keep trying to dance around that but the fact remains his statement was not false.
 
PogueMoran said:
I'm not making up new terms.
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Oh bull. Anyone that wants to review the thread can see you trying your semantics games with "bill" then "proposal" then your next evasive term.

I took that line of obfuscation away from you with "THE THING"

PogueMoran said:
Again what proof do you have it would have never been in the final bill?
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It makes no difference. The man lied on Wednesday, about what was in "THE THING" on Wednesday. Your question is irrelevant to that fact.
 
Voidwar said:
Oh bull. Anyone that wants to review the thread can see you trying your semantics games with "bill" then "proposal" then your next evasive term.
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Yeah because calling the draft bill what it is is clearly playing "semantics" games. Again until it comes out of committee it is nothing more than a draft. This seems to be lost on you.

Voidwar said:
I took that line of obfuscation away from you with "THE THING"
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Do they all dance like you in the shire? Again he was talking about the health care measures that they are proposing that somehow they would insure illegals is false. That's a true statement he was talking about future tense. Again you seem not to understand that for something to be a lie it has to be actually proven to be a lie, no amount of whining and bellyaching from you can change the dictionary definition of a lie.

Voidwar said:
It makes no difference. The man lied on Wednesday, about what was in "THE THING" on Wednesday. Your question is irrelevant to that fact.
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Translation:
"It makes no difference that what I claim would stop illegals won't do jack **** I'm just going to whine and cry about how I think the president lied when he didn't, facts be damned"
 
PogueMoran said:
Yeah because calling the draft bill
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Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ? Ah there isn't ? OK then.
 
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