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House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

Lets station an ICE agent in every one then. Further, the bill deals with government subsidized insurance, and provides no legal way for a provider to check immigration status.

The ER abuse by these foreign criminals is a separate issue, and one I want them excluded from using. Don't bother with the sob story, they can go home and build a hospital for all I care.

Do you know how much manpower and money that would cost to do that? How about you write to your congressman and see if they will go with your proposal. Chances are you won't hear back. The point being Wilson was wrong for calling the president a liar. The bill as drafted would deny coverage to non-citizens.
 
Do you know how much manpower and money that would cost to do that?

Less than the bill for the ER treatment, so thanks for the praise on my money saving idea.
 
The bill as drafted would deny coverage to non-citizens.

HOW ? Do You have any answer at all ? If the bill as drafted did deny it, why has the White House announced today that they are putting the SAVE provisions back in ?

The assertion you are making does not hold water in light of the white house announcement. If the bill as drafted did deny coverage, why would they cave and agree to insert SAVE ??
 
Do you have some proof of that? Thanks in advance

Do you really need proof that a cop is cheaper than a doctor ?

Do you really need proof that a zip tie is cheaper than a sterile intubation kit ?

Do you really need proof that a van is cheaper than an Emergency Room ?
 
HOW ? Do You have any answer at all ? If the bill as drafted did deny it, why has the White House announced today that they are putting the SAVE provisions back in ?

The assertion you are making does not hold water in light of the white house announcement. If the bill as drafted did deny coverage, why would they cave and agree to insert SAVE ??

Clarification. Again the bill specifically denies coverage to illegal immigrants. What Obama said was correct. Wilson called him a liar. Nowhere did Wilson say Oh well there's no way to check that they were really here legally. Whats to stop residents from getting coverage as well? Again you're reaching. Wilson called the president a liar when he said illegals weren't covered. They're not.

How often do people cheat the system void? You could write all the lawyeresque language you want in the bill and some will find ways to take advantage of the system. Take for instance people who find loopholes to hide their money overseas in tax shelters. The law may say one thing and have a specified intent but people are able to get around it.
 
Do you really need proof that a cop is cheaper than a doctor ?

Do you really need proof that a zip tie is cheaper than a sterile intubation kit ?

Do you really need proof that a van is cheaper than an Emergency Room ?

Are ICE agents trained the same as standard cops? You're talking about hiring more law enforcement. Training more, deportation costs, shelter, food, etc. It eventually adds up. So unless you can show numbers here that somehow a small amount of illegals cheating the system over the deportation of millions is somehow cheaper i dont think you have much to go on.
 
Clarification. Again the bill specifically denies coverage to illegal immigrants. What Obama said was correct.

No he was not. Claiming it, and providing a mechanism for the enforcement of your claim must go hand in hand when framing legislation.

How bout you stop avoiding my questions ?

HOW ? Do You have any answer at all ?

If the bill as drafted did deny it, why has the White House announced today that they are putting the SAVE provisions back in ?
 
Nowhere did Wilson say Oh well there's no way to check that they were really here legally.

COMPLETE FALSEHOOD.

Joe Wilson said it over and over on the floor of the house when he was sponsoring the amendment to add the SAVE provisions.
 
No he was not. Claiming it, and providing a mechanism for the enforcement of your claim must go hand in hand when framing legislation.

How bout you stop avoiding my questions ?

Yes he was correct. You're talking about intent. Obama stated they would not be covered. The bill is specific now if some people cheat the system as normally happens that's not obama's fault. Wilson was out of line and inaccurate. There's nothing to stop anyone from cheating the system now.

I didn't avoid your questions you asked the other person that
 
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COMPLETE FALSEHOOD.

Joe Wilson said it over and over on the floor of the house when he was sponsoring the amendment to add the SAVE provisions.

Did he say that to the president... no so his statement calling the president a liar is inaccurate. Keep dancing void
 
Are ICE agents trained the same as standard cops?

Are pediatric specialists sometimes called into an ER ?

Do you think a border patrol agent is better trained than Chicago SWAT ?

You are trying to dip into irrelevant semantics here, and it is obvious.

Doctors, are more expensive to hire than cops.

Understand that my use of those two general terms, is for the general comparison. Do you think you can find a law enforcement officer, on the beat, with any department, that takes home more than a practicing physician of any specialty ?

Until you can, what point are you making here ?
 
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Paragraph 205(b)(3)(B)(i)(I) goes on to say that an "Exchange-eligible individual" is also an individual who "has applied for, and been determined eligible for affordability credits..."

Section 242(a)(1) - "Affordable Credit Eligibility Individual". It clearly states here that only those individuals who are "lawfully" in the U.S. will receive credits toward payment of their health insurance in the HIE.

Section 246 - "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens" specifically states "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
 
, deportation costs, shelter, food, etc. It eventually adds up.

No, it doesn't. They can bring a lunch :)

I don't plan to provide these criminals with ANY creature comforts.

All these criminals have coming is an escort to the border and a kick in the ass.

You want food and water for your free ride back to your country of origin, you bring it.

So , to wrap up my response, no, I don't propose supplying anything more than the ICE agents the Vans and the zip-ties.
 
Are pediatric specialists sometimes called into an ER ?

Do you think a border patrol agent is better trained than Chicago SWAT ?

You are trying to dip into irrelevant semantics here, and it is obvious.

Doctors, are more expensive to hire than cops.

Understand that my use of those two general terms, is for the general comparison. Do you think you can find a law enforcement officer, on the beat, with any department that takes home more than a practicing phsician of any specialty ?

Until you can, what point are you making here ?

You're saying its cheaper to deport illegals in the millions as opposed to the few who may cheat the medical system
 
No, it doesn't. They can bring a lunch :)

I don't plan to provide these criminals with ANY creature comforts.

All these criminals have coming is an escort to the border and a kick in the ass.

You want food and water for your free ride back to your country of origin, you bring it.

So , to wrap up my response, no, I don't propose supplying anything more than the ICE agents the Vans and the zip-ties.

Even criminals get shelter, food, etc. So in otherwords you're saying its cheaper to deport millions than the few who get through the medical system.
 
Paragraph 205(b)(3)(B)(i)(I) goes on to say that an "Exchange-eligible individual" is also an individual who "has applied for, and been determined eligible for affordability credits..."

Section 242(a)(1) - "Affordable Credit Eligibility Individual". It clearly states here that only those individuals who are "lawfully" in the U.S. will receive credits toward payment of their health insurance in the HIE.

Section 246 - "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens" specifically states "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

And HOW WILL THAT BE ENFORCED ?

You can claim it all you want. With no enforcement mechanism, the claim is a lie.

If it wasn't a lie, why is the administration announcing they are putting the SAVE provisions in ?

Answer that question, rather than fall back on the discreditted bill in question.
 
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Even criminals get shelter, food, etc.

They are citizens. I might actually care about their well being, I might even want them healthy upon their release into American Society. What do I care about the health of a criminal invader whom I never want back here ?
 
And HOW WILL THAT BE ENFORCED ?

You can claim it all you want. With no enforcement mechanism, the claim is a lie.

If it wasn't a lie, why is the administration announcing they are putting the SAVE provisions in ? Answer that question, rather than fall back on the discreditted bill in question.

There's nothing discredited about it. How are the save provisions going to prevent people smart enough to cheat the system? The intent of the bill is to cover only citizens. There's nothing in the bill from covering nonhumans too since you want to take it to the extreme. Where's the enforcement?
 
They are citizens. I might actually care about their well being, I might even want them healthy upon their release into American Society. What do I care about the health of a criminal invader whom I never want back here ?

What about residents who are noncitizens who try to get care deport them as well?
 
You're saying its cheaper to deport illegals in the millions as opposed to the few who may cheat the medical system

What is wrong with your reading comprehension ?

I said station an ICE agent at the ER.

So the agent I have proposed is only deporting the same "few" you thought were going to squeak by and cheat.
 
What is wrong with your reading comprehension ?

I said station an ICE agent at the ER.

So the agent I have proposed is only deporting the same "few" you thought were going to squeak by and cheat.

I stated this several times and you went along with it. Its your view we should spend money to deport all of them
 
There's nothing discredited about it.

There most certainly is.


WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com
The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:

Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.

Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.

Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.

There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.

If the bill already had a mechanism, why announce they are inserting SAVE provisions ? If the bill did not have a mechanism, well I have explained to you already, that when crafting legislation, claims and enforcement must go hand in hand or one is being disingenuous if not outright decietful.

WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ??

If it wasn't a lie, why is the administration announcing they are putting the SAVE provisions in ?
 
I stated this several times and you went along with it. Its your view we should spend money to deport all of them

It certainly is.

However, the way we got onto this topic was a price comparison of deportation vs ER care. So, NON ER based deportations are a completely separate issue, which I would be glad to discuss with you in the immigration forum.
 
There most certainly is.


WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com


If the bill already had a mechanism, why announce they are inserting SAVE provisions ? If the bill did not have a mechanism, well I have explained to you already, that when crafting legislation, claims and enforcement must go hand in hand or one is being disingenuous if not outright decietful.

WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ??


There's nothing to say that save wasn't ever going to be in the bill to begin with. The finance committee has yet to present the finalized bill. Even so how exactly would Save stop this secret brotherhood of illegal aliens you think are somehow conspiring to steal health care?

We spent 8 million dollars to catch the 8 illegal immigrants that cheated their way to medicaid. That's 1 million dollars for each immigrant. Yeah I'm sure those 8 immigrants are somehow using 1 million dollars worth of health care.
 
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