"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
Joe Wilson has been a politician long enough to know that his childish outburst could have consequences. He obviously chose to act like an idiot so he should be treated like one. If he refuses to apologize on the House floor then he deserves whatever actions are taken against him.
Letting something like this slide could open the door to more disruptions in the future. IMO.
I agree with the admonishment. If he had just apologized & kept his mouth shut it would have been enough, but he's continuing his lies & attack.
Since when are we allowed to call posters cowardly cheerleaders?
I thought attacking opinions and not posters was permitted...
As to substance - my name is right there for all to see. That is not cowardly, that is standing right up and saying absolutely, dude! F107 was right on target !!
I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.
The last time I check we still have the right to speak up against any and all of our elected officials and no where in Article ii Section 3 does it say you can't speak out while the President is giving his speech tot he Joint Session of Congress. And before anyone else cites Article I Section 5 yes The House can make up it's own rules but they can't have a rule that gag's the 1st Adm.
The bottom line is this Mr. Wilson spoke his mind used his 1st Adm Right and called the President on a fact he knew that was a lie.
Wilson agreed to the rules when he joined congress. By your logic Wilson could have walked up to the president during the speech and punched him in the face and that would be considered by you freedom of expression. Also someone going into a crowded theater yelling fire even when there's no fire would also be freedom of speech to you. Yet these acts are punishable.
They can make him sit down and shut up regardless of the 1st Amendment. He was out of order. It seems they have chosen the least severe form of punishment that they could hand out. He obviously got his wires crossed . Rumor has it he dozed off during the speech but woke up half way through it thinking he was at a town hall meeting where his type of behavior is condoned as a means to talk down anyone who happens to be speaking.The last time I check we still have the right to speak up against any and all of our elected officials and no where in Article ii Section 3 does it say you can't speak out while the President is giving his speech tot he Joint Session of Congress. And before anyone else cites Article I Section 5 yes The House can make up it's own rules but they can't have a rule that gag's the 1st Adm.
The bottom line is when you act like an idiot you get treated like one.The bottom line is this Mr. Wilson spoke his mind used his 1st Adm Right and called the President on a fact he knew that was a lie.
Maybe the bottom line is when one gets called out so publically on one's lying, one has to backpedal on the bill and slip things back in there . . .
Here is Obama's White House, conceding that Joe Wilson was correct.
WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com
Rude and accurate and effective all at once. Best rude I have seen in a while.The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:
Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.
Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.
Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.
There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.