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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You're saying its cheaper to deport illegals in the millions as opposed to the few who may cheat the medical system
    What is wrong with your reading comprehension ?

    I said station an ICE agent at the ER.

    So the agent I have proposed is only deporting the same "few" you thought were going to squeak by and cheat.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    What is wrong with your reading comprehension ?

    I said station an ICE agent at the ER.

    So the agent I have proposed is only deporting the same "few" you thought were going to squeak by and cheat.
    I stated this several times and you went along with it. Its your view we should spend money to deport all of them

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    There's nothing discredited about it.
    There most certainly is.


    WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com

    The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:

    Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.

    Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.

    Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.

    There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.
    If the bill already had a mechanism, why announce they are inserting SAVE provisions ? If the bill did not have a mechanism, well I have explained to you already, that when crafting legislation, claims and enforcement must go hand in hand or one is being disingenuous if not outright decietful.

    WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    If it wasn't a lie, why is the administration announcing they are putting the SAVE provisions in ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I stated this several times and you went along with it. Its your view we should spend money to deport all of them
    It certainly is.

    However, the way we got onto this topic was a price comparison of deportation vs ER care. So, NON ER based deportations are a completely separate issue, which I would be glad to discuss with you in the immigration forum.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    There most certainly is.


    WH on health care, illegal immigrants - First Read - msnbc.com


    If the bill already had a mechanism, why announce they are inserting SAVE provisions ? If the bill did not have a mechanism, well I have explained to you already, that when crafting legislation, claims and enforcement must go hand in hand or one is being disingenuous if not outright decietful.

    WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ??

    There's nothing to say that save wasn't ever going to be in the bill to begin with. The finance committee has yet to present the finalized bill. Even so how exactly would Save stop this secret brotherhood of illegal aliens you think are somehow conspiring to steal health care?

    We spent 8 million dollars to catch the 8 illegal immigrants that cheated their way to medicaid. That's 1 million dollars for each immigrant. Yeah I'm sure those 8 immigrants are somehow using 1 million dollars worth of health care.

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    Re: Wilson Faces House Vote House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) "has agreed the House s

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I am not conflicted about it, I don't care if the politics of it are bad or good; censuring is the right thing to do.
    You just want this to help your guy win an election, nothing more.
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Wilson Faces House Vote House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) "has agreed the House s

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You just want this to help your guy win an election, nothing more.

    You're wrong. As several people have noted, it may 'politically' not be in the best interests of the Democrats to pursue it. However, it IS the right thing to do.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    There's nothing to say that save wasn't ever going to be in the bill to begin with.
    Only the FACTS.

    The provisions were out when he made his false claim.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Only the FACTS.

    The provisions were out when he made his false claim.
    I wasn't aware that a finalized bill ever made it out of committee for you to determine save was ever out of the bill. Again until the bill was finalized and voted out of the committee you have nothing but speculation and drafts.

    Again since you avoided the question how exactly is save going to stop illegals from getting treatment and having us pay for it?

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I wasn't aware that a finalized bill ever made it out of committee for you to determine save was ever out of the bill.
    The bill had a current status at the time he spoke of it.

    At that time, no SAVE provisions.

    So if you make the claim the bill will deny care / benefits to illegals, at that time, you are lying, as you know there is no enforcement mechanism.

    Getting caught in his lie is the only reason the provisions were put back in, and anyone with sense knows it.

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