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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Lets station an ICE agent in every one then. Further, the bill deals with government subsidized insurance, and provides no legal way for a provider to check immigration status.

    The ER abuse by these foreign criminals is a separate issue, and one I want them excluded from using. Don't bother with the sob story, they can go home and build a hospital for all I care.
    Do you know how much manpower and money that would cost to do that? How about you write to your congressman and see if they will go with your proposal. Chances are you won't hear back. The point being Wilson was wrong for calling the president a liar. The bill as drafted would deny coverage to non-citizens.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

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    Do you know how much manpower and money that would cost to do that?
    Less than the bill for the ER treatment, so thanks for the praise on my money saving idea.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Less than the bill for the ER treatment, so thanks for the praise on my money saving idea.
    Do you have some proof of that? Thanks in advance

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    The bill as drafted would deny coverage to non-citizens.
    HOW ? Do You have any answer at all ? If the bill as drafted did deny it, why has the White House announced today that they are putting the SAVE provisions back in ?

    The assertion you are making does not hold water in light of the white house announcement. If the bill as drafted did deny coverage, why would they cave and agree to insert SAVE ??

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Do you have some proof of that? Thanks in advance
    Do you really need proof that a cop is cheaper than a doctor ?

    Do you really need proof that a zip tie is cheaper than a sterile intubation kit ?

    Do you really need proof that a van is cheaper than an Emergency Room ?

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    HOW ? Do You have any answer at all ? If the bill as drafted did deny it, why has the White House announced today that they are putting the SAVE provisions back in ?

    The assertion you are making does not hold water in light of the white house announcement. If the bill as drafted did deny coverage, why would they cave and agree to insert SAVE ??
    Clarification. Again the bill specifically denies coverage to illegal immigrants. What Obama said was correct. Wilson called him a liar. Nowhere did Wilson say Oh well there's no way to check that they were really here legally. Whats to stop residents from getting coverage as well? Again you're reaching. Wilson called the president a liar when he said illegals weren't covered. They're not.

    How often do people cheat the system void? You could write all the lawyeresque language you want in the bill and some will find ways to take advantage of the system. Take for instance people who find loopholes to hide their money overseas in tax shelters. The law may say one thing and have a specified intent but people are able to get around it.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Do you really need proof that a cop is cheaper than a doctor ?

    Do you really need proof that a zip tie is cheaper than a sterile intubation kit ?

    Do you really need proof that a van is cheaper than an Emergency Room ?
    Are ICE agents trained the same as standard cops? You're talking about hiring more law enforcement. Training more, deportation costs, shelter, food, etc. It eventually adds up. So unless you can show numbers here that somehow a small amount of illegals cheating the system over the deportation of millions is somehow cheaper i dont think you have much to go on.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Clarification. Again the bill specifically denies coverage to illegal immigrants. What Obama said was correct.
    No he was not. Claiming it, and providing a mechanism for the enforcement of your claim must go hand in hand when framing legislation.

    How bout you stop avoiding my questions ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    HOW ? Do You have any answer at all ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    If the bill as drafted did deny it, why has the White House announced today that they are putting the SAVE provisions back in ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Nowhere did Wilson say Oh well there's no way to check that they were really here legally.
    COMPLETE FALSEHOOD.

    Joe Wilson said it over and over on the floor of the house when he was sponsoring the amendment to add the SAVE provisions.

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    Re: House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    No he was not. Claiming it, and providing a mechanism for the enforcement of your claim must go hand in hand when framing legislation.

    How bout you stop avoiding my questions ?
    Yes he was correct. You're talking about intent. Obama stated they would not be covered. The bill is specific now if some people cheat the system as normally happens that's not obama's fault. Wilson was out of line and inaccurate. There's nothing to stop anyone from cheating the system now.

    I didn't avoid your questions you asked the other person that
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