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Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

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Why don't you fill us in on how Bush had enough information to know the where when and how of 9/11. Thanks in advance.

The report says they were recruiting people in New York.
 
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Sure looks like from that PDB that they knew of hijackings in the new york area and suspicious activity centered around hijackings

i don't see anything on there about September 11 being the date of the attack, no flight numbers, no target package. No where near enough information to prevent an attack. Unless, of course you would have had the FBI shake down Arab/Muslim looking males between the ages of 18 and 35. Or, raound up and deport all of them that didn't have legal US citizenship.

So, you are a trufer?!?
 
Ok everybody. President Obama did the wrong thing by calling a joint session of Congress to sell his health care plan. Those sessions are meant to be reserved for really important occasions like times of war. Joe Wilson broke protocol, was rightly disciplined, and correctly apologized, although half-hearted. Obama has got a huge ego and rarely apologizes for his own actions (has he ever?). President Obama is more likely clueless to the bills than intentionally lying about them (what President has enough time to read each of those grotesquely large bills). Democrats rightly corrected their "mistakes" as they have past ones. All of us are rightly critical of all politicians , though they deserve our respect, the President chief among them.

Your right, healthcare isn't important enough to call a joint session, it's not like lives are on the line.
 
i don't see anything on there about September 11 being the date of the attack, no flight numbers, no target package. No where near enough information to prevent an attack. Unless, of course you would have had the FBI shake down Arab/Muslim looking males between the ages of 18 and 35. Or, raound up and deport all of them that didn't have legal US citizenship.

So, you are a trufer?!?

That wasn't the point. You stated they weren't warned. That is proven to be a lie. Truthers believe that Bush planned 9/11. I stated clearly that Bush was warned which he was and failed to stop it... Umm no the FBI knew about the muslims going to flight school and not learning to land. This was all in the 9/11 report. They didn't have to round up every male between 18 to 35
 
That wasn't the point. You stated they weren't warned. That is proven to be a lie. Truthers believe that Bush planned 9/11. I stated clearly that Bush was warned which he was and failed to stop it... Umm no the FBI knew about the muslims going to flight school and not learning to land. This was all in the 9/11 report. They didn't have to round up every male between 18 to 35

That's like being warned that an astoroid is going to impact Earth...:rofl
 
That's like being warned that an astoroid is going to impact Earth...:rofl

Yeah because important buildings in New York is the same thing as saying an entire planet. You said he wasn't warned when he was
 
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The report says they were recruiting people in New York.

Perhaps they would have been better informed to take action if President Clinton hadn't made so many cuts to defense spending and the CIA.
 
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Perhaps they would have been better informed to take action if President Clinton hadn't made so many cuts to defense spending and the CIA.

And maybe if Clinton didn't follow through with some of Bush Sr's cuts because of the cold war winding down. But then again people saw those cuts as streamlining. Counter terrorism funding actually increased under Clinton. Maybe Junior shouldn't have called off the squads tracking Bin Laden, scrapped the counterterrorism report and didn't focus on missile defense when warned about al-qaida. But all in all I think Bush would have been better informed if he bothered to read the plan the Clinton administration handed them
 
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Perhaps they would have been better informed to take action if President Clinton hadn't made so many cuts to defense spending and the CIA.

Perhaps you could state facts and provide links instead of speculating and guessing.
 
So are you saying Healthcare isn't important?

PBO says that people are dieing everyday because they dn't have health insurance. Why is he going to wait until '13 to enact this bill? How many people are going to die between now and then.
 
How in the world does this happen? How does 9-11 enter into a discussion about health care reform in general and Obama's claim in specific?

The point being that one, illegal aliens already currently recieve health care in emergency rooms -- just as do the uninsured, and Congress requires all medical ER's to provide this coverage regardless of nationality.

There is no mention in any bill I have seen about extending insurance coverage to illegal aliens, only that the care they continue to receive in line with Congressional mandate would be maintained.

It should also be noted that the 'gang of six' has three Republicans and three Democrats, meaning whatever action they are taking on this measure would be bi-partisan and I highly doubt that three Republicans only one of which can be considered moderate would be rushing to cover up the President's 'lie'.

I am not quite sure, regardless of political bend, how that can be spun into truth and untruth. Facts are what they are.

Of course, death panels are true for some people too, showing that fear rather than facts matter, that ideological gain matters more than pragmatic and professional problem solving.

Honestly, functional democracy requires people to educate themselves with facts so they can make informed decisions. Mr. Wilson's ego isn't terribly relevant to health care reform.

Pray tell, how can we make informed, responsible decisions in democracy with deliberate mis-information being pedalled in conjuction with highly partisan arguements that deliberately avoid salient facts?
 
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who cares about wilson, very few have ever heard of him?

mature americans are concentrating on obama and health care, important stuff

except that the boorish back bencher just BOOTED obama's feeble BUTT bad on big screen tv

ask baucus, bingaman and the senator from bismarck

LOL!

just like sarah palin, mrs alaska, who in 3 days via TWITTER busted barack's balls over DEATH PANELS

LOLOLOL!

and bigmouth beck, sneakers wearing recovering alcoholic who cries, busted barry's back over van jones

i hear the prez is gonna have congressman wilson over for a BEER

LOLOL!

beautiful photo op

health care is ASSURED!

town halls be damned

abc radio reported tonite that senate dems have declared once more, but decisively this time, that public option will go

pelosi and reid both signaled acceptance, said abc, so long as competition is increased and care extended...

blah blah

hr3200 will never see the floor

which means---START ALL OVER AGAIN

leadership has NO CLUE what it's doing

how could it, after that disaster of an address last nite?

30 minutes on GOALS

LOLOL!

what the heck is he doing, everyone knows his goals, no one cares about goals

only 120 seconds on how to PAY for it

LOL!

30 million CITIZENS

and TORT REFORM!!!

LOLOLOL!

RANK amateurs

poor dems, the president has comprehensively pulverized your party

sorry
 
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Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com


Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill
In the Senate, Democrats in the so called "Gang of Six," began moving quickly to close the loophole Rep. Joe Wilson helped bring to light with his outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night.

So it seems that Mr. Wilson was correct and that Mr. Obama was lieing threw his teeth when he said that no Illegal Allians would be covered. So does this mean that Mr. Obama is going ot Apologies to the nation for Lieing.

From the Article,

Among three House committees to pass bills for health reform, only one expressly bans federal funding for proving health coverage to illegal immigrants.

"The Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens," Wilson said. "And I think this is wrong."

Indeed, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service study found that the House health care bill does not restrict illegal immigrants from receiving health care coverage.

House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner amplified the complaint that without proof of citizenship, illegal immigrants could be insured.

"There were two opportunities for House Democrats to make clear that illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered by putting in requirements to show citizenships," he said. "Both of those amendments were, in fact, rejected."


So here it is folks Mr. Obama lied to the American People now lets here the call for him to explain why he lied.

Mad love to Wilson for calling him to the mat on this bold faced lie. The Dems were trying to slip it through by fighting the bills which would have allowed for enforcement.
 
PBO says that people are dieing everyday because they dn't have health insurance. Why is he going to wait until '13 to enact this bill? How many people are going to die between now and then.

Stop avoding the question, it's simple, do you think healthcare isn't important, yes or no?
 
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Wilson is a child and should be treated as one.

Obama is a lying scumbag who tried to pull the wool over the eye of the American people and he should be treated as such.
 
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whether or not obama was lying is irrelevant. when the president is making a speech you are to be respectful, whether you agree with what he is saying or not. it's not some kind of school assembly where everyone is quietly laughing at the principal and the class clown decides to act out.

Ya like the Dems were respectful when they booed Bush over the social security issue? Mmm that's good hypocrisy. Sorry but I don't respect liars not matter who they are.
 
who cares about wilson, very few have ever heard of him?

mature americans are concentrating on obama and health care, important stuff

except that the boorish back bencher just BOOTED obama's feeble BUTT bad on big screen tv

ask baucus, bingaman and the senator from bismarck

LOL!

just like sarah palin, mrs alaska, who in 3 days via TWITTER busted barack's balls over DEATH PANELS

LOLOLOL!

and bigmouth beck, sneakers wearing recovering alcoholic who cries, busted barry's back over van jones

i hear the prez is gonna have congressman wilson over for a BEER

LOLOL!

beautiful photo op

health care is ASSURED!

town halls be damned

abc radio reported tonite that senate dems have declared once more, but decisively this time, that public option will go

pelosi and reid both signaled acceptance, said abc, so long as competition is increased and care extended...

blah blah

if so, hr3200 will never see the floor

which means---START ALL OVER AGAIN

leadership has NO CLUE what it's doing

how could it, after that disaster of an address last nite?

30 minutes on GOALS

LOLOL!

what the heck is he doing, everyone knows his goals, no one cares about goals

only 120 seconds on how to PAY for it

LOL!

30 million CITIZENS

and TORT REFORM!!!

LOLOLOL!

RANK amateurs

poor dems, the president has comprehensively pulverized your party

sorry


The problems defined.

Businesses can no longer afford Health Care premiums, meaning that either more Americans go uninsured or we place ourselves at a competitive disadvantage with the rest of the world.

Quite frankly health care cost too much for what it delivers in general, and those costs are increasingly leaving the middle class behind.

That is health care problem in a very over simple nutshell.

The Republican problem is aptly displayed above, in an almost gleeful attack on a solution without anything that looks like a solution to the first problem.

Do Republicans understand that throwing rocks and cirticism will not get you leadership? That these tactics, purely political, will not actually solve the countries problems? That simply seeking power for power's sake is not in our best interest? That we have enemies actually attacking our country, so maybe we can focus our efforts against them and not those whose sin is merely belonging to another party?

Do Republicans think that if they toprpedo Heath Care reform that there will not be a severe voter backlash in a year? That the manufactured fear of death panels will erase the growing problem originally stated and that actual problems will still have to be solved at some point?
 
Ye sit does I suggest you try to understand that Grants Freedom of Speech no where doe sit define what Speech is.

Ok, just so you know, the right of Freedom of Speech is not absolute and has been suspended by the Supreme Court in many different circumstances. Let's take a look shall we:

Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 -- John Adams made a law making illegal to slander the president. It was later overturned.

Schenck v. United States (1919) -- It was ruled that the government can restrict free speech in times of war and national emergency if they cause a threat to the nation.

Miller v. California (1973) -- The government (local, state, and federal) has the right to prevent people from being exposed to lewd or pornographic materials. Even if that means suppressing free speech.

Bethel School District 403 v. Fraser (1986) -- A school has the right to expel a student for making offensive or suggestive remarks at a school function.

Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier (1988) -- A school administration can edit and delete offensive material from a school newspaper that will distributed to others.

Morse v. Frederick (2007) -- A school administration is allowed to restrict free speech if it promotes the use of illegal drugs.

...And the list goes on and on.

Moral of the story: free speech is not always guaranteed and does have restrictions, as unconstitutional though they may be. The House of Representatives has every right to create a handbook addressing decorum, behavior, and procedure and they certainly are allowed to ban unruly behavior, such as that exhibited by Mr. Wilson.
 
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Good god now you're going back to the 1st amendment again after accusing obama of violating it last night. What part of the house making rules in article 1 section 5 do you not understand?

edit: Can a mod fix the subject title?

This was not a house session it was a joint session. But regardless what do the rules say about stating bold faced lies to the American public on national t.v.?
 
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Ya like the Dems were respectful when they booed Bush over the social security issue? Mmm that's good hypocrisy. Sorry but I don't respect liars not matter who they are.

Oh yes, Bush wanted to privitize SS and dump all that money onto Wall Street just before it crashed. It was a bad idea. I am not sure how this bad idea makes anyone a liar?

Reforming Health Care, bringing cost under control and allowing for something near and dear to Republicans -- fiscal responsibility -- is paramount to our countries long term health.

If Obama were talkimg about privitizing the Pentagon's budget and dumping the money onto Wall Street as a stimulus to poor, down trodden bankers, he would rightly also be booed.

Of course, since nothing in government works well, not even our military (bang up job those 'private' contractors ala Blackwater are doing) maybe we should let Wall Street control the Petangon's budget?
 
Stop avoding the question, it's simple, do you think healthcare isn't important, yes or no?

Sure it is, which makes me wonder why the new wonderful health care bill is going to take three+ years to get cranked up.
 
Stop avoding the question, it's simple, do you think healthcare isn't important, yes or no?

Of course health care is important, so is the economy and the DEFICIT. According to polling by Rasmussen and others, Americans by far are more worried about the deficit than they are of health care.
 
Sure it is, which makes me wonder why the new wonderful health care bill is going to take three+ years to get cranked up.

Well, I see you are a Army vet. So tell me, how long did it take us to field Stryker Briades? The M1A2 or Bradley A3? Between 3-5 years, and that was just to upgrade Brigades that were already using earlier models of the armored vehicles and the Stryker Brigades took the better part of a decade.

However, the day after a bill is passed the ENTIRE heath care industry is supposed to fundamentally change its organizational functions at the drop of a hat?

That is your expectation? Well, I would love to see your proposal as to how that would happen. By all means, illuminate us.
 
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