Page 12 of 15 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 149

Thread: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

  1. #111
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    02-12-11 @ 12:32 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    939

    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/rep-wilson-outburst-leads-senate-dems-

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    Perhaps they would have been better informed to take action if President Clinton hadn't made so many cuts to defense spending and the CIA.
    Perhaps you could state facts and provide links instead of speculating and guessing.

  2. #112
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,520

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    So are you saying Healthcare isn't important?
    PBO says that people are dieing everyday because they dn't have health insurance. Why is he going to wait until '13 to enact this bill? How many people are going to die between now and then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  3. #113
    Banned gree0232's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    All over
    Last Seen
    12-30-09 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    1,341

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    How in the world does this happen? How does 9-11 enter into a discussion about health care reform in general and Obama's claim in specific?

    The point being that one, illegal aliens already currently recieve health care in emergency rooms -- just as do the uninsured, and Congress requires all medical ER's to provide this coverage regardless of nationality.

    There is no mention in any bill I have seen about extending insurance coverage to illegal aliens, only that the care they continue to receive in line with Congressional mandate would be maintained.

    It should also be noted that the 'gang of six' has three Republicans and three Democrats, meaning whatever action they are taking on this measure would be bi-partisan and I highly doubt that three Republicans only one of which can be considered moderate would be rushing to cover up the President's 'lie'.

    I am not quite sure, regardless of political bend, how that can be spun into truth and untruth. Facts are what they are.

    Of course, death panels are true for some people too, showing that fear rather than facts matter, that ideological gain matters more than pragmatic and professional problem solving.

    Honestly, functional democracy requires people to educate themselves with facts so they can make informed decisions. Mr. Wilson's ego isn't terribly relevant to health care reform.

    Pray tell, how can we make informed, responsible decisions in democracy with deliberate mis-information being pedalled in conjuction with highly partisan arguements that deliberately avoid salient facts?
    Last edited by gree0232; 09-11-09 at 01:25 AM.

  4. #114
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    who cares about wilson, very few have ever heard of him?

    mature americans are concentrating on obama and health care, important stuff

    except that the boorish back bencher just BOOTED obama's feeble BUTT bad on big screen tv

    ask baucus, bingaman and the senator from bismarck

    LOL!

    just like sarah palin, mrs alaska, who in 3 days via TWITTER busted barack's balls over DEATH PANELS

    LOLOLOL!

    and bigmouth beck, sneakers wearing recovering alcoholic who cries, busted barry's back over van jones

    i hear the prez is gonna have congressman wilson over for a BEER

    LOLOL!

    beautiful photo op

    health care is ASSURED!

    town halls be damned

    abc radio reported tonite that senate dems have declared once more, but decisively this time, that public option will go

    pelosi and reid both signaled acceptance, said abc, so long as competition is increased and care extended...

    blah blah

    hr3200 will never see the floor

    which means---START ALL OVER AGAIN

    leadership has NO CLUE what it's doing

    how could it, after that disaster of an address last nite?

    30 minutes on GOALS

    LOLOL!

    what the heck is he doing, everyone knows his goals, no one cares about goals

    only 120 seconds on how to PAY for it

    LOL!

    30 million CITIZENS

    and TORT REFORM!!!

    LOLOLOL!

    RANK amateurs

    poor dems, the president has comprehensively pulverized your party

    sorry
    Last edited by The Prof; 09-11-09 at 01:29 AM.

  5. #115
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Past the edge of the universe, through the singularity, and out the other side.
    Last Seen
    09-01-10 @ 05:23 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,324

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com


    Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill
    In the Senate, Democrats in the so called "Gang of Six," began moving quickly to close the loophole Rep. Joe Wilson helped bring to light with his outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night.

    So it seems that Mr. Wilson was correct and that Mr. Obama was lieing threw his teeth when he said that no Illegal Allians would be covered. So does this mean that Mr. Obama is going ot Apologies to the nation for Lieing.

    From the Article,

    Among three House committees to pass bills for health reform, only one expressly bans federal funding for proving health coverage to illegal immigrants.

    "The Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens," Wilson said. "And I think this is wrong."

    Indeed, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service study found that the House health care bill does not restrict illegal immigrants from receiving health care coverage.

    House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner amplified the complaint that without proof of citizenship, illegal immigrants could be insured.

    "There were two opportunities for House Democrats to make clear that illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered by putting in requirements to show citizenships," he said. "Both of those amendments were, in fact, rejected."


    So here it is folks Mr. Obama lied to the American People now lets here the call for him to explain why he lied.
    Mad love to Wilson for calling him to the mat on this bold faced lie. The Dems were trying to slip it through by fighting the bills which would have allowed for enforcement.

  6. #116
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    02-12-11 @ 12:32 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    939

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    PBO says that people are dieing everyday because they dn't have health insurance. Why is he going to wait until '13 to enact this bill? How many people are going to die between now and then.
    Stop avoding the question, it's simple, do you think healthcare isn't important, yes or no?

  7. #117
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Past the edge of the universe, through the singularity, and out the other side.
    Last Seen
    09-01-10 @ 05:23 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,324

    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/rep-wilson-outburst-leads-senate-dems-

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Wilson is a child and should be treated as one.
    Obama is a lying scumbag who tried to pull the wool over the eye of the American people and he should be treated as such.

  8. #118
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Past the edge of the universe, through the singularity, and out the other side.
    Last Seen
    09-01-10 @ 05:23 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,324

    Re: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/rep-wilson-outburst-leads-senate-dems-

    Quote Originally Posted by cmckinney View Post
    whether or not obama was lying is irrelevant. when the president is making a speech you are to be respectful, whether you agree with what he is saying or not. it's not some kind of school assembly where everyone is quietly laughing at the principal and the class clown decides to act out.
    Ya like the Dems were respectful when they booed Bush over the social security issue? Mmm that's good hypocrisy. Sorry but I don't respect liars not matter who they are.

  9. #119
    Banned gree0232's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    All over
    Last Seen
    12-30-09 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    1,341

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    who cares about wilson, very few have ever heard of him?

    mature americans are concentrating on obama and health care, important stuff

    except that the boorish back bencher just BOOTED obama's feeble BUTT bad on big screen tv

    ask baucus, bingaman and the senator from bismarck

    LOL!

    just like sarah palin, mrs alaska, who in 3 days via TWITTER busted barack's balls over DEATH PANELS

    LOLOLOL!

    and bigmouth beck, sneakers wearing recovering alcoholic who cries, busted barry's back over van jones

    i hear the prez is gonna have congressman wilson over for a BEER

    LOLOL!

    beautiful photo op

    health care is ASSURED!

    town halls be damned

    abc radio reported tonite that senate dems have declared once more, but decisively this time, that public option will go

    pelosi and reid both signaled acceptance, said abc, so long as competition is increased and care extended...

    blah blah

    if so, hr3200 will never see the floor

    which means---START ALL OVER AGAIN

    leadership has NO CLUE what it's doing

    how could it, after that disaster of an address last nite?

    30 minutes on GOALS

    LOLOL!

    what the heck is he doing, everyone knows his goals, no one cares about goals

    only 120 seconds on how to PAY for it

    LOL!

    30 million CITIZENS

    and TORT REFORM!!!

    LOLOLOL!

    RANK amateurs

    poor dems, the president has comprehensively pulverized your party

    sorry

    The problems defined.

    Businesses can no longer afford Health Care premiums, meaning that either more Americans go uninsured or we place ourselves at a competitive disadvantage with the rest of the world.

    Quite frankly health care cost too much for what it delivers in general, and those costs are increasingly leaving the middle class behind.

    That is health care problem in a very over simple nutshell.

    The Republican problem is aptly displayed above, in an almost gleeful attack on a solution without anything that looks like a solution to the first problem.

    Do Republicans understand that throwing rocks and cirticism will not get you leadership? That these tactics, purely political, will not actually solve the countries problems? That simply seeking power for power's sake is not in our best interest? That we have enemies actually attacking our country, so maybe we can focus our efforts against them and not those whose sin is merely belonging to another party?

    Do Republicans think that if they toprpedo Heath Care reform that there will not be a severe voter backlash in a year? That the manufactured fear of death panels will erase the growing problem originally stated and that actual problems will still have to be solved at some point?

  10. #120
    User SicSemperTyrannis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Waterbury, CT
    Last Seen
    12-27-09 @ 09:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    90

    Re: Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Ye sit does I suggest you try to understand that Grants Freedom of Speech no where doe sit define what Speech is.
    Ok, just so you know, the right of Freedom of Speech is not absolute and has been suspended by the Supreme Court in many different circumstances. Let's take a look shall we:

    Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 -- John Adams made a law making illegal to slander the president. It was later overturned.

    Schenck v. United States (1919) -- It was ruled that the government can restrict free speech in times of war and national emergency if they cause a threat to the nation.

    Miller v. California (1973) -- The government (local, state, and federal) has the right to prevent people from being exposed to lewd or pornographic materials. Even if that means suppressing free speech.

    Bethel School District 403 v. Fraser (1986) -- A school has the right to expel a student for making offensive or suggestive remarks at a school function.

    Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier (1988) -- A school administration can edit and delete offensive material from a school newspaper that will distributed to others.

    Morse v. Frederick (2007) -- A school administration is allowed to restrict free speech if it promotes the use of illegal drugs.

    ...And the list goes on and on.

    Moral of the story: free speech is not always guaranteed and does have restrictions, as unconstitutional though they may be. The House of Representatives has every right to create a handbook addressing decorum, behavior, and procedure and they certainly are allowed to ban unruly behavior, such as that exhibited by Mr. Wilson.

Page 12 of 15 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •