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Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

Maybe you all missed it... I already declared Obama the winner.

Obama won the debate, because of a republican jerk who couldn't keep his mouth shut, so therefore, government run health care should now be accepted.

And please, don't anyone even think about actually discussing what the president said, and if it was the truth or not... The facts have no business in this popularity contest.

Sis boom bah... Obama wins!

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Yep, Joe Wilson lied. Illegals can't get health coverage under this plan, just like Obama said.

That's why the Democrats ran out and immediately closed the loophole.....:lol:

"We really thought we'd resolved this question of people who are here illegally, but as we reflected on the President's speech last night we wanted to go back and drill down again," said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND), according to Time. The incident reportedly has led Finance chairman Max Baucus to insert a provision in his legislation to require participants in the health insurance exchanges to provide proof of citizenship.

It's a good thing Wilson said something, or Baucus would have completely forgotten to insert the provision requiring proof of citizenship, even though Republicans tried to include it twice.
 
Obama haters as opposed to Obama butt kissers? :rofl I love when the uninformed think that using hyperbolic BS is a credible substitute for intelligent debate.

Here's a little factoid for you Hyper, although you have shown time and again that you are immune to them; illegal aliens currently do have access to healthcare today and the Democrats are reluctant to put any language in these proposals that will limit illegal access because they are pandering to the Hispanic voters and will not do anything that will possibly cost them votes.

The FACT is that Obama is LYING outright when he makes the FALSE claim that illegal aliens will NOT have access to FREE healthcare under this DEMOCRAT plan to RUIN what is currently the best healthcare system in the world. Democrats have repeatedly defeated efforts by the Republicans to insert language into these bills that will deny care to illegal aliens.

Now I know that being an Obama butt kisser, many will be immune to the OBVIOUS and the FACTS; but those are the FACTS and all the efforts to deny them doesn't make this Obama butt kissing any more credible.

Carry on. :rofl

My conern with illegals getting heath care is if I have to pay for it. Currently you have to show legal residency in order to get Medicare.

So you think that accusing others of being averse to facts as you apparently are prone to is debate. So if you think that you work off of facts why don't you but you facts where your mouth is and show us proof that illegals get government health care. Don't tell us about emergency room treatment becasue emergemcy rsponders do not ask for proof of citizency or legal residency when they treating people in need of emergencies.
 
HorseHockey. The man WAS lying, and his congressional cronies had already voted the "SAVE" provisions out of the bill.
The "SAVE" provisions were the only legal way to determine if someone was legal before providing them care.

The man was lying because his cronies has already legislated away the bouncer.

What man was lying, Wilson! We k now Wilson lied and is a jerk so why are you telling us one more time that Wilson is a liar ? Stop the redundancies , please !!
 
Oh my, this is truly funny. In other words; "Don’t bother me with facts; I refuse to believe anyone's partisan opinions except for the hyper partisans that I agree with!"

:2wave:

I as anyone has the right not to accept the opinion of any politician. Boener has been prone to saying things that did not pass the teuth test or the smell test so why should I blindly believe him.
 
What man was lying, Wilson! We k now Wilson lied and is a jerk so why are you telling us one more time that Wilson is a liar ? Stop the redundancies , please !!

I am sorry for you that your reading comprehension is so poor.

Obama was lying during his address.

The Congressional Dems had already voted off the "SAVE" provisions, thus leaving no legal way for providers to determine residency before providing care / benefits.
 
Yep, Joe Wilson lied. Illegals can't get health coverage under this plan, just like Obama said.

That's why the Democrats ran out and immediately closed the loophole.....:lol:



It's a good thing Wilson said something, or Baucus would have completely forgotten to insert the provision requiring proof of citizenship, even though Republicans tried to include it twice.

I had read somewhere that illegals were already NOT included and that the Republcan so called provision to exclude them was just redundant puffery!! Smoke. Ploitical tomfoolery, nothing more. Just political posturing and BS, phoney, you know like astro turf.
 
I am sorry for you that your reading comprehension is so poor.

Obama was lying during his address.

The Congressional Dems had already voted off the "SAVE" provisions, thus leaving no legal way for providers to determine residency before providing care / benefits.

You and Wilson are either blind Obama haters or do not know a lie when you hear one. Show us one iota of proof that President Obama had lied as you guys so falaciously accuse him of. You cannot becasue he did not lie.
 
I had read somewhere that illegals were already NOT included and that the Republcan so called provision to exclude them was just redundant puffery!! Smoke. Ploitical tomfoolery, nothing more. Just political posturing and BS, phoney, you know like astro turf.

You read somewhere??? Daily Kos?? Democratic Underground?? Huffington Post???

Maybe you should start reading legitimate sources and you might come off better informed than you have in this thread.

The Democrats introduced language to close the loophole AFTER Joe Wilson brought it to everyone's attention. The man should get a medal.

Unless you have some proof that it was already in the bill, you are guilty of political posturing, BS, phoney, you know like astro turf. :mrgreen:
 
You Obama haters are out of control. The President can start an address on Dec 25th and say that it is Christmas day and A-HOLES like Wilson and other Obama haters will jump up and scream "you're lying".
 
You and Wilson are either blind Obama haters or do not know a lie when you hear one. Show us one iota of proof that President Obama had lied as you guys so falaciously accuse him of. You cannot becasue he did not lie.

Already explained.

Do you know what the SAVE program is ?

USCIS - SAVE

If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.

The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.

No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care
 
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Joe Wilson said what everyone else already knows: PBO is lying through his teeth when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegals. Unless he plans on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals.

What are you basing that on?
 
You Obama haters are out of control. The President can start an address on Dec 25th and say that it is Christmas day and A-HOLES like Wilson and other Obama haters will jump up and scream "you're lying".

Post a link of that, or it just you lying and being a hater hater. :roll:

Either way, back on earth, the facts are in, the president lied, and now while everyone Lambastes Wilson, the Dems are quietly re-inserting the Enforcement provisions. I wonder why they are putting those back in ? I wonder if you Obama supporters understand that during his address, they were NOT in, had been voted out by Congressional Dems, so his claim was, in fact, a lie.
 
You read somewhere??? Daily Kos?? Democratic Underground?? Huffington Post???

Maybe you should start reading legitimate sources and you might come off better informed than you have in this thread.

The Democrats introduced language to close the loophole AFTER Joe Wilson brought it to everyone's attention. The man should get a medal.

Unless you have some proof that it was already in the bill, you are guilty of political posturing, BS, phoney, you know like astro turf. :mrgreen:

ha ha ha some of us read a wide range of sources so we may not remember the exact legitimate source that we read a fact it. Since you Obama haters are only allowed to watch FAUX Newz of you will remember that you heard your most current lie from Faux Newz!

So Wilson "should get a medal" for bing a crude jerk!! That truly is funny!!
 
So Wilson "should get a medal" for bing a crude jerk!! That truly is funny!!

No. He should get a medal for calling out a liar and forcing the Congressional Cronies of said liar to put the SAVE provisions back into the bill.
 
Already explained.

Do you know what the SAVE program is ?

USCIS - SAVE

If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.

The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.

No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care

Thank you for explaining that so well. I wish I had put it that way about ten pages ago.


I believe it wont matter in the end however.
 
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Thank you for explaining that so well.

Glad to and thanks :2wave:

I believe it wont matter in the end however.

It may have already mattered, since Congressional Dems have had to go back and reinsert the provisions once they were called out.
 
It may have already mattered, since Congressional Dems have had to go back and reinsert the provisions once they were called out.

Well it matters to you and me to get it right but it wont matter to those who cannot see the forest for the trees or vice versa. The focus should be on getting it right and not fast or with a potential to be abused.
 
Well it matters to you and me to get it right but it wont matter to those who cannot see the forest for the trees or vice versa. The focus should be on getting it right and not fast or with a potential to be abused.

I concur.

Further, you are probably right that it won't matter, because I don't see this bill, even if hastily repaired a bit, passing anyhow :)
 
In other words, the only way they can get it done is to use diversions to distract the dumbmasses. Gotcha. ;)

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Before our conversation, did you really believe that politics is about honesty and clarity?
 
Already explained.

Do you know what the SAVE program is ?

USCIS - SAVE

If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.

The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.

No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care

Under existing federal law illegals already do get treated and covered on expenses. If the bill doesn't pass they're still going to be covered. The only way to stop that is if an illegal comes into the emergency room we tell doctors not to treat and let them just bleed out.
 
Anyone who thinks that a rude public comment, or an ill advised insult or personal attack made by a member of either party, is going to be a deciding factor on how people evaluate the proposed health care reform, are sadly mistaken. Those who believe such a thing, are not only underestimating the American people, they're also insulting them.

outstandingly put, grim, a powerful statement of reality, as clear as 2 + 2, which still eludes so many of our friends in this and other forums

you apparently haven't heard, tho---wilson and the prez are gonna have a BEER

THAT's why health reform's a slam dunk

can't you see the photo op?

now, them's some powerful politics

gonna change america's entire disposition concerning 16% of the us economy

LOLOL!
 
If Obama loses on healthcare, it won't matter if Wilson loses his seat.
 
Under existing federal law illegals already do get treated and covered on expenses.

Only at the ER. Where I want to see an ICE agent stationed at to deport them there too.
 
Thank you for explaining that so well. I wish I had put it that way about ten pages ago.


I believe it wont matter in the end however.

You guys are just determined to lie about a person who is not lying. The bill does not in any way grant illegals government sponsored health care. If someone feels that there needs tobe stronger language agaisnt illegals getting government sponsored healthcare than suggest that. Thre is no reason for behaving eveil and nasty and telling lies about innocent people.

I do not belive for a second that you guys are motivated to make things harder for illegals to get overnment services as you are motivated soley on spewing hatred for the President.
 
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