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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, explain it to us, then. Just saying, "oh, it won't happen", doesn't inspire too much confidence.
    How about the fact that the leading health care bill itself specifically states that non-citizens cannot participate in the program?
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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How about the fact that the leading health care bill itself specifically states that non-citizens cannot participate in the program?
    But, it has no way of preventing it. That's the part of the bill that I wanna see.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How about the fact that the leading health care bill itself specifically states that non-citizens cannot participate in the program?
    Every time the Republicans try to include E-Verify into any of these bills, the Democrats, usually unanimously vote it out.

    That is why everyone that thinks illegals will be included, do.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    I'm sorry but does the OP have an article of some kind to go along with his statement of a "huge victory"?
    I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You mean like these classless fools?



    RealClearPolitics - Video - Flashback: Democrats Boo Bush At 2005 State Of The Union

    If you think one guy speaking out with the truth (Barry is a liar) is going to help the cause of socialized medicine, you are crazier than CBS and CNN combined.

    How LAME. There were plenty of vocalizations by the Republican side just before asswipe yelled out 'You Lie'. No one has said a word about that -- because they are not in the same universe.

    Asswipe stepped waaaaaayyyy the f out of line. The guano wingers who are trying lamely to justify/defend his actions can be lumped right in with Garbage Joe.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    PolitiFact | Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't

    Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't

    When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants. We hope to look at this issue more in the days ahead, because some hospitals are particularly concerned about recouping their costs for treating illegal immigrants, and we're curious to know more about that problem and how it might or might not be solved by reform.

    The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it passes, and it might not -- on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama's said "the reforms Iím proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False.
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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Asswipe stepped waaaaaayyyy the f out of line. The guano wingers who are trying lamely to justify/defend his actions can be lumped right in with Garbage Joe.
    Being a conservative who does not support the presidents agenda, let be the first to say this:

    OBAMA WINS! Rude Republican Hands Victory To The President In Health Care Debate

    It's a good thing for you all, that a republican screwed the pooch, or the judges would have gone to the tie breaker... Examining the issues.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, it has no way of preventing it. That's the part of the bill that I wanna see.
    I would assume they are going to require a social security number to be able to receive federal subsidies. Much like private insurance companies require your social security number as well. Of course you could still argue illegal immigrants are benefiting from the program if they partake in identity theft but I don't think the government can be held responsible for not catching that every time.

    Illegal immigrants can buy into private insurance now and most likely will be able to buy into the government run insurance option. They just won't receive any government help on pricing.

    Also, illegal immigrants will also most likely still receive emergency health services because no doctor is going to stop and validate someone's citizenship before saving their life.
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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by cmckinney View Post
    I'm sorry but does the OP have an article of some kind to go along with his statement of a "huge victory"?
    You're just supposed to assume that PBO won some great victory. I mean, it's PBO, it's understood.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I would assume they are going to require a social security number to be able to receive federal subsidies. Much like private insurance companies require your social security number as well. Of course you could still argue illegal immigrants are benefiting from the program if they partake in identity theft but I don't think the government can be held responsible for not catching that every time.

    Illegal immigrants can buy into private insurance now and most likely will be able to buy into the government run insurance option. They just won't receive any government help on pricing.

    Also, illegal immigrants will also most likely still receive emergency health services because no doctor is going to stop and validate someone's citizenship before saving their life.

    I agree with all of that, plus, there's no friggin' way that the government, especially the most Liberal government in our history, is going to refuse medical care to illegal aliens. That, alone, makes me believe that the status quo is the way to go, at least I won't be getting my ass taxed off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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