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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Already explained.

    Do you know what the SAVE program is ?

    USCIS - SAVE

    If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.

    The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.

    No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care
    Thank you for explaining that so well. I wish I had put it that way about ten pages ago.


    I believe it wont matter in the end however.
    Last edited by akyron; 09-11-09 at 06:15 PM.
    Thank you

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Thank you for explaining that so well.
    Glad to and thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    I believe it wont matter in the end however.
    It may have already mattered, since Congressional Dems have had to go back and reinsert the provisions once they were called out.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    It may have already mattered, since Congressional Dems have had to go back and reinsert the provisions once they were called out.
    Well it matters to you and me to get it right but it wont matter to those who cannot see the forest for the trees or vice versa. The focus should be on getting it right and not fast or with a potential to be abused.
    Thank you

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Well it matters to you and me to get it right but it wont matter to those who cannot see the forest for the trees or vice versa. The focus should be on getting it right and not fast or with a potential to be abused.
    I concur.

    Further, you are probably right that it won't matter, because I don't see this bill, even if hastily repaired a bit, passing anyhow

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    In other words, the only way they can get it done is to use diversions to distract the dumbmasses. Gotcha.

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    Before our conversation, did you really believe that politics is about honesty and clarity?

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Already explained.

    Do you know what the SAVE program is ?

    USCIS - SAVE

    If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.

    The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.

    No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care
    Under existing federal law illegals already do get treated and covered on expenses. If the bill doesn't pass they're still going to be covered. The only way to stop that is if an illegal comes into the emergency room we tell doctors not to treat and let them just bleed out.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Anyone who thinks that a rude public comment, or an ill advised insult or personal attack made by a member of either party, is going to be a deciding factor on how people evaluate the proposed health care reform, are sadly mistaken. Those who believe such a thing, are not only underestimating the American people, they're also insulting them.
    outstandingly put, grim, a powerful statement of reality, as clear as 2 + 2, which still eludes so many of our friends in this and other forums

    you apparently haven't heard, tho---wilson and the prez are gonna have a BEER

    THAT's why health reform's a slam dunk

    can't you see the photo op?

    now, them's some powerful politics

    gonna change america's entire disposition concerning 16% of the us economy

    LOLOL!

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    If Obama loses on healthcare, it won't matter if Wilson loses his seat.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Under existing federal law illegals already do get treated and covered on expenses.
    Only at the ER. Where I want to see an ICE agent stationed at to deport them there too.

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    Re: Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Thank you for explaining that so well. I wish I had put it that way about ten pages ago.


    I believe it wont matter in the end however.
    You guys are just determined to lie about a person who is not lying. The bill does not in any way grant illegals government sponsored health care. If someone feels that there needs tobe stronger language agaisnt illegals getting government sponsored healthcare than suggest that. Thre is no reason for behaving eveil and nasty and telling lies about innocent people.

    I do not belive for a second that you guys are motivated to make things harder for illegals to get overnment services as you are motivated soley on spewing hatred for the President.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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