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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    It's not isolationism. There is plenty of room for diplomacy and trade. It's simply not interventionism. That's what gets us into trouble.
    We tried diplomacy in the 90's. We got 3,000 dead Americans one September morning for our trouble.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    We tried diplomacy in the 90's. We got 3,000 dead Americans one September morning for our trouble.
    And now we have over 4,000 dead American soldiers and 10's up 10's of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians for the trouble. Good job, you doubled our dead. And for what? A war with two countries that is still going on and arguments for entering war with another country. Awesome.

    You're using isolated cases to endorse forever war. Guess what? There will always be terrorists. So long as there are oppressed, pissed off people somewhere we'll spawn terrorists. We deal with it. They didn't frequently attack us on the soil of the 50 States, it was a low probability event. Still is. 9/11 was the most successful terrorist attack ever, they won't repeat it. And even then, they didn't kill as many as cars do in 1 year in this country. Should we launch a war on cars? I'll start worrying when we get above that rate.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    And now we have over 4,000 dead American soldiers and 10's up 10's of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians for the trouble. Good job, you doubled our dead. And for what? A war with two countries that is still going on and arguments for entering war with another country. Awesome.
    Just think how many of them wouldn't have died had we shown more aggression in the 90's.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    Just think how many of them wouldn't have died had we shown more aggression in the 90's.
    Think of how many more would have died had we shown more aggression.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    Think of how many more would have died had we shown more aggression.
    I think the opposite is true. Our passive approach to foreign policy only managed to encourage our enemies to attack us. UBL said that, himself.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    I think the opposite is true. Our passive approach to foreign policy only managed to encourage our enemies to attack us. UBL said that, himself.
    Call me skeptical, but I'm not really one to take the word of known terrorists. Forever war is something to be avoided, it will be a detriment to our people, our liberty, and our economy. It doesn't matter how much you want to kill the terrorists and perpetuate this circle of violence, forever war is bad and will take us to bad places. That remains fact.

    Free is not safe, it never was safe, it never will be safe. There will always be some probability of terrorist attack. While there are many things to do in order to decrease these probabilities, the probability will always be >0. Though very low, it's still really low.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Call me skeptical, but I'm not really one to take the word of known terrorists. Forever war is something to be avoided, it will be a detriment to our people, our liberty, and our economy. It doesn't matter how much you want to kill the terrorists and perpetuate this circle of violence, forever war is bad and will take us to bad places. That remains fact.

    Free is not safe, it never was safe, it never will be safe. There will always be some probability of terrorist attack. While there are many things to do in order to decrease these probabilities, the probability will always be >0. Though very low, it's still really low.
    I'll take the word of a known terrorist when he says that our passive approach encouraged his followers to attack us.

    We could have avoided forever war, with a little more aggression 20 years ago.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

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    I'll take the word of a known terrorist when he says that our passive approach encouraged his followers to attack us.

    We could have avoided forever war, with a little more aggression 20 years ago.
    So you'll take the word of a terrorist if it helps your point. What if it goes against your point?

    I don't think any massive aggression would avoid forever war. Your basing opinion and policies on war on supposition. Fact is, if we were aggressive things could be even worse by fostering even more hatred and resentment against the US in the ME than existed before we started our undeclared, occupational wars. I don't think supposition is good enough when the lives of people are on the line.

    Big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother policies are well more dangerous to us than some terrorists can ever be.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you'll take the word of a terrorist if it helps your point. What if it goes against your point?
    Why would he lie about such a thing?

    I don't think any massive aggression would avoid forever war. Your basing opinion and policies on war on supposition. Fact is, if we were aggressive things could be even worse by fostering even more hatred and resentment against the US in the ME than existed before we started our undeclared, occupational wars. I don't think supposition is good enough when the lives of people are on the line.
    I never said, "massive", aggression. Just more aggression, at the appropriate time. One appropriate time would have been in '91, while we had a half million troops on the ground in Iraq and the Iraqi army was in shambles. Another, would have been in the late 90's when we missed three different oppurtunities to zap UBL along with other key members of AQ.

    Just think of all the problems those two operations, alone, would have solved.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why would he lie about such a thing?
    Because he's a jackass terrorist. What better way to **** with people than with misinformation? Douche bags like to be douche bags.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said, "massive", aggression. Just more aggression, at the appropriate time. One appropriate time would have been in '91, while we had a half million troops on the ground in Iraq and the Iraqi army was in shambles. Another, would have been in the late 90's when we missed three different oppurtunities to zap UBL along with other key members of AQ.

    Just think of all the problems those two operations, alone, would have solved.
    The whole of Iraq I could have been avoided with proper ambassadors.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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