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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Your country had the justification of being part of NATO, which responded an attack on one of its members (9/11) by taking out the Taliban who sheltered the terrorists who did it.
    After the Taliban offered to give up Bin Laden himself.

    Iran has no justification for helping out a group that sheltered terrorists.
    They're their neighbours, I'd call that quite a decent justification, far more than my nations.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    After the Taliban offered to give up Bin Laden himself.
    They offered to try one single man in their own courts. That is much different from handing over all terrorists to the U.S., who was the victim of their plot.

    CNN.com - U.S. rejects Taliban offer to try bin Laden - October 7, 2001

    Bush's demands include turning over not only bin Laden, but all members of his al Qaeda network.

    They're their neighbours, I'd call that quite a decent justification, far more than my nations.
    That's like saying that it's okay if the U.S. assists the Mexican drug lords just because the U.S. is next to Mexico. Being someone's neighbor does not justify helping out a scummy cause, especially when that cause is not even part of the legitimate government.

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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    They offered to try one single man in their own courts. That is much different from handing over all terrorists to the U.S., who was the victim of their plot.

    CNN.com - U.S. rejects Taliban offer to try bin Laden - October 7, 2001
    It is trying the mastermind and I believe they offered Bin Laden up.





    That's like saying that it's okay if the U.S. assists the Mexican drug lords just because the U.S. is next to Mexico. Being someone's neighbor does not justify helping out a scummy cause, especially when that cause is not even part of the legitimate government.
    Not assist Mexican drug lords but it is reasonable to say America has an interest in Mexian stability and such. Iran has a reasonable interest in Afghanistan, more than my nation does, how it uses that is another matter.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It is trying the mastermind and I believe they offered Bin Laden up.
    They offered bin Laden instead of handing over all al-Qaeda terrorists, which is what we wanted. What they offered doesn't even come close to what we asked for.



    Not assist Mexican drug lords but it is reasonable to say America has an interest in Mexian stability and such. Iran has a reasonable interest in Afghanistan, more than my nation does, how it uses that is another matter.
    If Iran was really interested in Afghanistan's stability they would be fighting against the Taliban. I don't know why they would be assisting the Taliban but there is no justification for helping scum like them.

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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    They offered bin Laden instead of handing over all al-Qaeda terrorists, which is what we wanted. What they offered doesn't even come close to what we asked for.
    So? This is sounding a lot like the Austrians in 1914. Pressure could have most likely gotten many more concessions but like the Austrians I don't think anything but war was ever really on the agenda.




    If Iran was really interested in Afghanistan's stability they would be fighting against the Taliban. I don't know why they would be assisting the Taliban but there is no justification for helping scum like them.
    Well the Taliban is a vague term, only about 40% or so of those the media call Taliban can really be classed as such. We don't know exactly what the Iranians are doing or why.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So? This is sounding a lot like the Austrians in 1914. Pressure could have most likely gotten many more concessions but like the Austrians I don't think anything but war was ever really on the agenda.
    Unlike Austria, though, we both had justification for our demands and did not make unreasonable ones.

    Well the Taliban is a vague term, only about 40% or so of those the media call Taliban can really be classed as such. We don't know exactly what the Iranians are doing or why.
    This is true, we still have to wait to find out more about what's going on before a call is made.

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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Unlike Austria, though, we both had justification for our demands and did not make unreasonable ones.
    Austrians had justification, their crown-prince had just been killed. Your demands could have easily been given more diplomatically. I just don't believe war was ever meant to have been avoided. The demands, like Austria's, were never meant to be accepted.
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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    From the article:
    I have a hard time believing that. Common sense says that Iran would not support the Taliban.

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    Re: Officials: Discovery of Weapons Cache Suggests Iranian Meddling in Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think bombing is the answer at this time. I think we need to try diplomacy, and then when it fails(it probably will), do targeted bombings.
    We tried diplomacy.... it failed. It's time to send the Ayetoiletbowl a strong message.

    I say bomb all Iranian nuclear sites and weapon storage sites (including the site in Lebanon where 40,000 rockets have been stored).

    The Iranians need to be stopped ... now, BEFORE they go nuclear, is the time to act.

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