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Conservative extremists are always against social progress, they were against Social Security and Medicare back in the day, with the same ignorant ranting, "is socialism!!", blahblahblah..... The US didn't turned into a socialist republic back then and it won't tomorrow either, conservatives are on the losing side of history as usual. Universal health care is the norm among the most advanced and civilized nations, the USA will join them sooner or later, is inevitable.
 
Again, illegal aliens are a law enforcement issue, not a health care issue. There are appropriate places to protect against illegal aliens, but a health care bill is not one of those places.

You're kidding right? Illegal aliens are costing this country BILLIONS. In California, emergency care facilities are even required to provide translators for them if they cannot speak English.

How can anyone claim that illegal aliens are not a health care issue when part of the high costs associated with them is part of the farcical claims of Obamanomics.
 
It a law enforcement issue that affects those other things.

I would have no problem with the military helping keep illegals out, but only after we finish our two wars. The military has too much to do as it is.

All the border states have national gaurds and jobs are scarce right now. I'm sure there would be more than enough volunteers for some stateside active duty.
 
All the border states have national gaurds and jobs are scarce right now. I'm sure there would be more than enough volunteers for some stateside active duty.

When the military is not deployed, they have training to do. It is important too.
 
Conservative extremists are always against social progress, they were against Social Security and Medicare back in the day, with the same ignorant ranting, "is socialism!!", blahblahblah..... The US didn't turned into a socialist republic back then and it won't tomorrow either, conservatives are on the losing side of history as usual. Universal health care is the norm among the most advanced and civilized nations, the USA will join them sooner or later, is inevitable.

They're not socialist, enough. Hence the motivation to push the latest debacle through.
 
Conservative extremists are always against social progress, they were against Social Security and Medicare back in the day, with the same ignorant ranting, "is socialism!!", blahblahblah..... The US didn't turned into a socialist republic back then and it won't tomorrow either, conservatives are on the losing side of history as usual. Universal health care is the norm among the most advanced and civilized nations, the USA will join them sooner or later, is inevitable.
'Social' is the keyword.
 
When the military is not deployed, they have training to do. It is important too.

All the more reason to deploy state and federal soldiers to the borders.
 
It a law enforcement issue that affects those other things.

I would have no problem with the military helping keep illegals out, but only after we finish our two wars. The military has too much to do as it is.

We have national guards. I don't want the guards deployed to just "keep them out". I want them deployed to search, ferret out, and remove those that are already here.

To my way of thinking, they are foreign invaders on our soil. I don't care what their intentions are or how benign they are. They have invaded the country by not adhering to our entry laws and now they can be treated as such.

I don't think we should go on a shooting spree, but I do think that bypassing trials and letting military tribunals handle the particulars of ending the invasion are justified.
 
They only seem like impossible pipe dreams because the manpower has never been put into it. It could be done if they really wanted to accomplish it.

You are wrong. prohibition failed & the war on drugs is a failure to.
Old political axiom:

"You can't legislate morality."

some things will always be unenforceable.
 
You're kidding right? Illegal aliens are costing this country BILLIONS. In California, emergency care facilities are even required to provide translators for them if they cannot speak English.

How can anyone claim that illegal aliens are not a health care issue when part of the high costs associated with them is part of the farcical claims of Obamanomics.

I am not denying that illegals cost millions. What I am saying is if we cracked down on them with law enforcement, the problem goes away, or at least is greatly reduced.

Believe me, I am a hawk on illegal aliens. I would love to see them all rounded up and deported...only reason I don't include long prison sentences is that it would cost too much money.
 
I would like to see just one CREDIBLE source for the false numbers constantly being bantered about by the Left in their efforts to fear monger people into a joke called Universal Health Care; just one please.

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Kaiser Commission report AND census report released this am already posted.

Making stuff up again?
 
All the more reason to deploy state and federal soldiers to the borders.

It's not training. You can only ask the military to do so much before it is detrimental to their ability to complete their primary mission.
 
The Minute Man Project has shown what can be done with citizen volunteers that cost the govt nothing. They provide extra eyes and notify the authorities of illegals crossing the border.
 
It's not training. You can only ask the military to do so much before it is detrimental to their ability to complete their primary mission.

Granted, but there are hundreds of thousands of national gaurd troops that haven't ever been deployed.

Also, we're not talking about deploying troops to a combat zone. The mere presence of troops on the border would slow illegal crossing to a trickle.
 
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It's not training. You can only ask the military to do so much before it is detrimental to their ability to complete their primary mission.

There are also laws in this country preventing our armed force from being police.
Posse Comitatus Act
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act]Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Granted, but there are hundreds of thousands of national gaurd troops that haven't ever been deployed.

Why have they not been deployed? If they have the appropriate skills, they should be in the rotation. If not, they won't be much use against illegal aliens either.
 
Why have they not been deployed? If they have the appropriate skills, they should be in the rotation. If not, they won't be much use against illegal aliens either.

I can't answer as to why they never deployed, but there are units that haven't.

It doesn't take a specialized unit to conduct surveilance on the border. The presence, alone will do alot by itself.
 
not applicable, this is a forieign invasion. these are non citizens.
I guess you have a point, I think this fall a bit into a gray area. But our border patrol is the key force to carry out this duty.
 
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