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apdst said:
There is where the health care reform needs to start. perhaps, if we weren't spending millions of dollars every year on free health care for illegal aliens, health care costs would go down, thereby lowering insurance costs.
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Again, illegal aliens are a law enforcement issue, not a health care issue. There are appropriate places to protect against illegal aliens, but a health care bill is not one of those places.
 
Redress said:
Again, illegal aliens are a law enforcement issue, not a health care issue. There are appropriate places to protect against illegal aliens, but a health care bill is not one of those places.
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I believe that illegals are an issue for both. When the chief argument for a bill of this kind, is having too many uninsured people causes high health care costs, then the first step should be to severely curb free health care given to illegal aliens.
 
Redress said:
Again, illegal aliens are a law enforcement issue, not a health care issue. There are appropriate places to protect against illegal aliens, but a health care bill is not one of those places.
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I disagree. Illegals are not only a law enforcement issue, but they are a health issue, a financial issue, a national security issue, a public services issue, etc.

Of course, we could remedy that if we just made them a military issue and be done with it. But no one seems to have the stomach for efficiency these days...
 
apdst said:
Seal the border, as much as possible.

seek out, arrest and deport illegal aliens.

Make sanctuary cities illegal and enforce that law.

Require patients to provide proof of citizenship.

Just for starters.

Doing nothing isn't going to accomplish too much.
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These are all reasonable things to be up for debate.. in an immigration reform bill.

However this is outside of the scope of a health care reform bill.
 
apdst said:
No sir, I didn't.
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You may wish to keep this going, but I don't. There are far more interesting issues to discuss than your avoidance of the topic and personal attacks. Have fun with yourself. :2wave:

Let me know when you are ready to discuss the topic at hand.
 
Devil505 said:
Impossible pipe dream.


Impossible pipe dream.


Impossible pipe dream.


Suppose they can't/don't let them die? (what if they are unconscious in a car wreck?....Search through their pockets?)
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Very helpful, it just proves you're a naysayer.
 
Devil505 said:
Impossible pipe dream.


Impossible pipe dream.


Impossible pipe dream.


Suppose they can't/don't let them die? (what if they are unconscious in a car wreck?....Search through their pockets?)
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So, your answer is to do nothing? Sorry, but I just can't buy into that strategy.
 
American said:
Very helpful, it just proves you're a naysayer.
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I've enforced the law most of my life. legislation cannot end all problems.
We could have Congress pass a law against gravity tomorrow. How do we enforce it?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
You may wish to keep this going, but I don't. There are far more interesting issues to discuss than your avoidance of the topic and personal attacks. Have fun with yourself. :2wave:

Let me know when you are ready to discuss the topic at hand.
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You're the one pushing the issue, my friend.
 
Devil505 said:
Suppose they can't/don't let them die? (what if they are unconscious in a car wreck?....Search through their pockets?)
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No one would advocate withholding life saving measures from critically injured or ill patients.

However, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say to someone not presenting ID in an emergency room that they will have to seek other treatment for their mild fever and runny nose.
 
marduc said:
These are all reasonable things to be up for debate.. in an immigration reform bill.

However this is outside of the scope of a health care reform bill.
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It's not outside the scope of a health care bill, when you consider that part of the problem is all the money being spent is free health care being given to illegal aliens.
 
Devil505 said:
I've enforced the law most of my life. legislation cannot end all problems.
We could have Congress pass a law against gravity tomorrow. How do we enforce it?
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They only seem like impossible pipe dreams because the manpower has never been put into it. It could be done if they really wanted to accomplish it.

And comparing the illegal immigrant problem to gravity is a bit silly.
 
jackalope said:
You should pay attention.
This has been gone over several times.

47 million is accurate - the number of uninsured in the US.
30 million is accurate - the number of uninsured citizens who cannot get insurance.

Subsets are an important concept in math.


And, the requirement that you must be a citizen to receive federal money for health care has been reviewed multiple times as well. Multiple articles, even the page number of the HR3200 bill has been posted, as well as the page number of Senate bills.

Willful ignorance is not pretty.
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I would like to see just one CREDIBLE source for the false numbers constantly being bantered about by the Left in their efforts to fear monger people into a joke called Universal Health Care; just one please.

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apdst said:
c'mon, what? I'm not the one that started it. He could have just let it go at the start.
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I'm really not trying to get involved, but someone has to take the first step. Right? :2razz:
 
jallman said:
I disagree. Illegals are not only a law enforcement issue, but they are a health issue, a financial issue, a national security issue, a public services issue, etc.

Of course, we could remedy that if we just made them a military issue and be done with it. But no one seems to have the stomach for efficiency these days...
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It a law enforcement issue that affects those other things.

I would have no problem with the military helping keep illegals out, but only after we finish our two wars. The military has too much to do as it is.
 
Originally Posted by Devil505
Suppose they can't/don't let them die? (what if they are unconscious in a car wreck?....Search through their pockets?)
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As a law enforcement officer, how many times did you go trhough a victim's pockets to find out his idnentity after he had been killed in a car wreck?
 
Redress said:
It a law enforcement issue that affects those other things.

I would have no problem with the military helping keep illegals out, but only after we finish our two wars. The military has too much to do as it is.
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We have Homeland Security and a border patrol for that. They need far more resources.
 
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